What is "fair"? Like saying that in HU people should get 50% winrate, same applies for these...

LOL, where does this min 3 betting refuse folding to 4 bet allin come from?? Have played alot of 7 dollars of spin and goes lately and noticed that many bad players love to 3 bet and then autocalling off with marginal holdings like weak As if face resistance. The point of 3 betting with hands like KQ or A4/A5 and so on is that you can comfortably fold if getting pushed on- knowing for sure that youre beat the majority of times.

Is this something they have learned at coaching sites or something? Its ridicilous.

You're complaining that recreational players are predictable and refuse to fold poor hands?

I just find it surprising and interesting as i see the tendency so often in these games. My usual game is 45 and 180 man sit and goes turbo- and i never seen that type of play in these games before.

In spin and goes though people min 3 bet with QJ off or A4 off and just instacalls if they got shipped on. Just wondering where this come from, is the min 3 betting dont fold to 4 bets a thing coaching sites teach new players? I cant believe that is the case either, so where does this thing come from?

It comes mostly from the fact that they are.... recreational players and like to click buttons. Judging by this though:

you really shouldn't be lol-ing at recs, cause you have no idea what you are doing either.

Of course i can loling at rec players who refuse folding KQ off and A4 off to 4 bets from tight players Or do you think that kind of button clicking is solid winning poker kobmish?

My point was that 3 betting those weak hands to begin with vanishes when you cant fold, and end up autostacking off pre with those marginal hands.

i wonder if those masstablers are really maximizing their expectation or just hurt the games for all winning players. some of them are so ridiculously bad at heads up, i cannot believe they wouldnt be better of focusing on less tables and being less exploitable.

Why is the SpinWiz thread locked? Pure curiosity question, have no interest in it.

It was requested by the support/owners, they want to focus on all support being in one place (skype), as it's gotten quite demanding for them.

I think it's a pretty bad idea to not have the thread, but I guess it's their decision. Doesn't really look good imo, especially closed without explanation. Plus there's no reason anyone else couldn't start a thread where it is discussed, and then they're right back where they were - except for numerous threads all over the place. Perhaps they should move it to commercial software, where it is quieter and all talk of "is this ruining the games" can be eliminated / moved to a separate discussion thread here or something.

Agree
What about transparency?

What's not transparent about it?

People can discuss it in this thread if they want. That will result in more people with support inquiries going to the site instead of this forum, and makes the process more efficient.

And saves me a lot of time from repeating the same arguments 80000 times when a user comes in and wishes people cancer or says the games will die as a result, or a similarly bold point without making any actual arguments.

It hasn't been helpful either. I brought up an idea for a software improvement and I think three people responded about it. The thread seems more a place where people can throw mud around and troll, and support inquiries can take longer to be filled because post to forum > get response (and/or PM to talk on skype) is taking more time than add to skype > fix issue.

Ok , i dont see the point of making a software tableselecting when there is no `slots`
-when you play zoom cash you dont have waiting list for play vs rec player..
-When you register in a MTT you cant table select,

I would like to read from you, or other spinwiz creators/backers, why do you think it is better for all users overall to tableselect rather than all sit random ( the natural way, best reg win the most)

Now waiting list are getting very big at 30 and 60, a lot of weak reg should be playing lower are bumhunting..

I think one of the most important , is , as emotionx said, most of the reg are not ready to sacrifice some EV at shorttime by seating weak regs ... they prefer seat the weakest oponent(fish).
If all reg act this way, weaker regs/bumhunters will never go down(or study and get better) when they have to .

I only see spinwizz benefit people in, or running, a stable of horses, and weaks regs.

Anyway, I think very easy option you have to implement in spinwizz soft is by limiting the maximum number of people you dont want to seat by half (or 33%) of the active player using spinwizz at each stacks

Ex; there is 100 users of spinwiz, you can only mark 33 of them in you NONseat list, no more.

As there is almost no way to see who are the bests before playing them, i think i have got a good idea.


And off course make sure if i have someone marked seat, and him doesnt have me marked , will we seat anyway at the same tables (not sure if it is the case now)

I might be wrong, but anyway thank to you spinwizz team , for your work and for listen us!

^^Can you say how long the waitlist at 30s and 60s is on average right now? Waiting more than 1 min for a table or something? I thought spins were pretty much the most popular format on stars right now? I can't imagine action being slow.

Let me know what you think of the above. I believe it'll start happening a lot more as users start to realize how the software actually works, what the actual situation is if you choose to sit someone you think is weak. It's not like HUSNG at all, where you sitting another player means it benefits everyone except you.

I think that many spin and go players are either new to the game or have played hyper husngs.

In the latter case, they will be used to playing weaker hands in many spots, particularly postflop, a lot moreso than 45-180 man players.

Newer players are probably going to tend to be a little ridiculous at times in these too.

I don't think it has to do with coaching sites. Specifically, we have one spins pack out and it doesn't advocate doing stuff like that. Coaching site patterns do come up from time to time, though they usually involve more of the general regular class (dedicated players, sometimes losing, sometimes breakeven, sometimes winning), but it takes a lot more time for general advice to hit a wide group than spins have existed for (basing this on husng history).

Is anyone coaching spins or are there any videos packs out ?

Ei! thanks a lot for your answer, i find it more easy to read and discuss than skype!
Actually , spinwiz sistem is way way way better than what i was thinking.
I didnt know it was working that way, thanks a lot for explain us!
You convince me!
There is one last point i would to be sure to understand ,
The only way you will not sit someone , is if me and him both , choose to not play together right?

If i dont want to sit him , but he choose he want to sit me, will spinwiz seat us at the same tables?

I think it is an important point to make players who want to sit, highest priority than people who dont want to sit.


Also i would like all new user of spinwiz by default be in the YESsit list , just for not having to review the list everyday .

And i still think it would be a good idea of limiting the maximum of people i can choose to not sit to be maximum half of total of users pool of spinwiz.

Coffeeyay has a pack out on www.husng.com.

There are several other packs in the works from various instructors. We plan to sell them all on husng.com when they're released and we'll post on 2p2 too, so just keep an eye on this forum.

- If you don't want to sit someone but they want to sit you, SpinWiz will still register you both at the same time (you can't avoid someone that wants to play you, ala cash games).

- Default list; I'll ask the programmer/owners to respond about that one. I don't see anything necessarily wrong with it myself off hand.

- Maximum limitations; I'll ask them to also respond to that. One point, say the WL is low, then you have to figure out who is online somehow and avoid them, otherwise you'll be sitting other regs that are outside of your maximum avoid list... that seems inefficient to me.

thanks

I think it was closed because some guy threw a massive hissy fit and wished cancer on everyone who used the program.

This is really messed up, all I can do is fold

New stars feature, ibavly, they know any other option is -EV for you, so just prevent you from making a mistake.
Email them imo that you think you can defend 34s from the sb profitably. Long shot but still....

thats one ****ed up bug lol, obv you will get a refund