and people who do should respect that?

Is that true? If so that's a pretty unfair requirement. Minimum volume requirements in general shouldn't exist in the divisions.
To the extent that they shouldn't collude to prevent part-time players from playing the stake even when that person's proved they're good enough? Absolutely.

Just make sure to reply to every 1-2 month negative EV MTT graph letting them know they could just be printing in hypers instead

just explaining why people like me can't play hypers in current situation, even though would probably be able to get into div...

Just checked with the current $60s leaders and there's no 800 minimum these days. There was a while ago (but that was when we wanted to ensure there weren't any freerollers as the lobbies were under attack).

Well I remember I asked for 30s, and they required it.
If they removed it these days I don't know..
Probably after losing a 2k multiplier against two fishes, I should get back to HUHT

$30s might be different as the division is in its early stages.
Yes, best to focus on the $2k game!

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150 games is this in 60s, not reggames, overall games / month

another 1kk spin...who won?

je ne suis Charlie

no love for the second 1 million winner from stars yet.

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nice

Hi guys what is the most accurate way to determine how well your doing at these besides running good in multipliers? Chips or cnet adjusted?

cEV per tournament i would guess

I thought of a way of calculating expected ROI, in this case for the 7 dollar games. Here it is:
7 dollar roi calculation

average prize pool: 19,67$

1 chip = 0,013113333333333$

accumulated dollars (AD) = EVnchips * 0,0131133333333

profit/game (PPG) = AD/ngames

roi calculation = PPG/7 *100

Is this correct?

All your graph does is further proove my point that these games are UNGRINDABLE unless you get super lucky and bink a big multiplier... Look at your graph...your'e barely making any money if you exclude your biggest multplier!

On a side note, why is Pokerstars not releasing any stats on the actual vs expected frequencies of multipliers (All lottery companies have to release their data)? Is there a rig someplace (I have seen 2 other 5k game graphs of other regs running below EV in both multipliers and cEV)? Why is Spins not tracked on sharkscope?

because when you have a SS leaderboard that shows everyone on it would be a loser on the year without their largest spin+win, its not a selling point

^ Lol. Yes, that's also why they don't track MTTs, without everyone's biggest wins, everyone would be a loser and MTTs are the worst appeal game.

But the real answer, it's because they are random seated, they can't be tracked (so far, at least).

Note that you should expect to see a majority of players under $EV for thousands of games due to the fact that a portion of the $EV comes from the high-tier which is a rare event (1 in 100,000). Spins are a *long-run* game in terms of realizing $EV.

Even more i would say, a guy whos trying to move up, shouldnt bother at "shot taking" - either he has the massiv roll (and abilities) to stick around for a long time, or he shouldnt bother because of the "hidden rake" in form of the higher multipliers that he cant realize if he cannot sit in them.

Hi, guys!

I guess here I can find many s&g regs and warn them about reg wbazilio (from Brazill?) who screweing over other regs in Spin ang Go`s and that his word doesnt cost a thing.

I know that there is no dealmaking in s&g, but steal many regs arange them in chat by internal transfers.

wbazilio is def reg, but is opted-out. Looks like he is playing a lot of Fifty50`s and s&g`s.

I played with him severall 30`s Sping and go`s and we hit 25x in one of them.
He immediately started to ask about a deal, and when we stayed HU we agreed to make it 550$ for the winner and 200$ for the 2nd place.

I understand that such deals completely on ur one risk and u must really trust the other player to agree, but the fact that he was reg and was asking really hard, made me to give him my word and to believe in his promises to transfer me 200$ in case he win.

Of course he won and didnt transfer me a penny.

I watched couple of his other games, and he hit 25x in one of them too.
And he did just the same thing: asked everybody in chat for a deal and then won. (lucky ***)
Im sure he didnt transfer anything to other regs too.

So, Im just trying to get some information about him, and warn u guys about his behavior.

P.S.: Probably I should make new thread about this somewhere, but I have problems with English. Or maybe such thread already exists?
Thx. And sorry for my English.

Never ever agree to make a deal with a person you don't know. It's been said repeatadly and it keeps happening.

Please add PLO spin and go's !