Browsed this thread looking for graphs of people beating 30$ spins with 37% win rate over 5k games but didnt find any. Can regs with high samples from 30$ please post their ITM?

Yes, I am sure the game would be better off with tons of more bumhunters that only play recs.

I'm sure the average rec prefers to be sat by 5 bumhunters and 5 players that face regs and recs, rather than 10 players that face regs and recs.

C'mon, it's obvious that something had to be done given the amount of players jumping in and trying to bumhunt without ever "earning their keep" by facing other regs.

Sure, a more elegant solution is that people just face any other reg they feel is weak, but unfortunately the way the registration software was made and not ever modified, ends up making it so that the player that sits a reg makes it easier for everyone else, and harder for himself. Thus these groups were started.

Shot taker wise, yes it's harder now, but it's also more rewarding. And far from removed, you're not speaking the truth. There's even crazy success examples of guys going from $15s to $200s during the "cartel" times. People that aren't doing well are spreading negativity, people that don't play the game are spreading negativity. That's bound to happen. For years, the bumhunters of hu cash resisted every single change that was good for that game, and the poker sites were hesitant to make good changes. Ultimately, those games sustained major damage bc they let the bumhunters have free reign for way too long, without a legitimate challenge to sitting the bad players. It's not your right to solely sit the worst players in any game, it's something that should be earned.

As we see with how many huge HUSNG winners block these days, people aren't exactly jumping to share success. Many want the heavy paranoia and "it's not profitable!" screams of early days to ring true, so that the gambly recs remain, but the hordes of regs are hesitant. Or so goes their thought process. It won't last imo. The profit in this game might not be so obvious to bad players for awhile, but the regs are getting it more and more every day. When they launched people were writing petitions about how these would kill poker. Now people are smartly shutting up as they at least try them (and many profit from them). We didn't have petitions against hyper husngs, but otherwise the reaction was similar. Many profited early on, while others stuck to turbos and said hypers were a luckfest of high variance that nobody would beat long term for much.

But perhaps you'll find some takers. In today's fairly selfish climate, however, I would not anticipate it.

That's not a criticism either, people can do what they want of course for their own benefit, it's just the reality of the situation. People no longer really believe in profit driving new interest in the game, they forget why they got involved originally when they were (often) initially losers (for the profit), and they aren't proud of their results enough to share. That's their right according to the site's rules, so they can block/avoid data sharing.

Really, the people that don't share their success with others are just hurting the game, that's my honest opinion.

It's possible some regs can keep it to themselves, but when you talk about the average reg, between talking to other regs, friends, negotiating a stake or potential stake... this profit information travels so fast through the grapevine of professionals. It's the losing players that don't realize the profits attainable and less of them play the game, resulting in less profit for the winners.

Take some high level software job. Your salary is private. But every "pro" is going to have a great idea of your software. The company will hire you and also try to hire others, and that info will spread during offers. It also often spreads when some of the software employees share that info with friends else ware. Pretty much every "pro" knows what the top level makes. But some "fish" at the low level that doesn't even know how to program? He has no idea what the top level makes unless it's widely available information. And he's then less likely to get into software. Perhaps that's good for a high level software employee (bc he's more in demand then), but for poker players, you want as many lower level people to get into the game as possible.

The worst players get the valuable information last, and the top level guys are never able to be kept in the dark. That's pretty much been factual. Some of the best HUSNG guys tried to hide success from the HU cash sharks, yet they all still played HUSNGs.

Interesting thoughts, ChicagoRy. Thanks for sharing.

Ryan, before taking the high horse here and accusing me of lying, maybe you want to enlighten the community about who has/had the biggest staking stable for HU Hypers and literally flooded the games with hundreds of regs over time mostly grinding a unified strategy to bumhunt the **** out of these games? Yeah its kinda ironic that you speak about "something had to be done".

Uhm yeah, kinda sounds what Cartel guys trying to do with Spins - trying to protect what they constructed..

my estimate is that there are about 1/2 - 1/3rd 100s regs now compared to precartel. but then again, facts don't interest you

I never argued about the "success" of cartels driving regs out of the games, but what you guys seem to completly overlook or ignore - you dont just drive regs out, but regfish and fish as well (basically a big player base that you could profit from). So you need to put your success it into context then judge how the quantity as well as quality of the games are that are running now... But i guess you wont tell us the flipside of the medal, wont you?

I dont get why callme opened up again the discussion about "cartels" in this thread... Its the same story over and over..

Btw arent you one of the leaders of 30s division? Or at least the initial starter of the 30s divison topic on this forum? Kinda ironic, isnt it?

...So tell me, what was your intention behind that statement? I guess that should answer your question. And no, i never played a game in 30s cartel fyi
Fact is, every cartel reg basically hates the idea of higher spins for obv. and yeah i understand your comments might be more joking than anything else, but maybe sometimes its best to say nothing, cuz this might just brew up an unwanted discussion..

some people just like to watch the world burn

I have cca 3,4k profit on 2,3k sample but this is on the other network, before stars even introduced this format.

Stars software is of course miles ahead and I`d love to grind them there but since the variance dulls the skill edge so much, an advantage of possibly softer traffic cannot make it up for a significant rakeback disadvantage.

I wouldn't have called you out if you weren't negative every single day with a new post. But you are, so I felt the need.

You can call high horse, fair enough, some of my post can reflect that, but you fail to address even a single one of my points... really? You're not interested in an actual factual debate on any claims you make.

My question to you: If you're so upset and negative and poker sucks and is dead, why even bother posting? Why not go and do something different? You just come in here with negativity constantly, and because I post, you feel it's fair to just attack in response and ignore every single point I made? That's not very fair.

As for staking, I have involvement in a large (or largest?) staking program in HUSNGs. Sure. But what does that have to do with all those points that I made? I also am involved in the largest HUSNG video site and largest HUSNG website in the world. That doesn't mean that my points aren't valid (and I acknowledge and have always acknowledged my interests). It's like me saying "Why do you grind callme? It doesn't benefit me, nor does it benefit other regs, so clearly you grinding is bad for the game callme, stop grinding!" Pretty silly, no?

Also, just to add to the bs you've been spewing, literally every single one of the successful people in the stable you speak of has to grind the **** out of regs to earn their way up the stakes. The most successful has had to grind his way up the $60, $100, $200 and now $300s groups. You talk about how crappy the "cartel" system is, and how hard it is to grind up, then you accuse me of being involved with a large group of successful players... you can't have it both ways... it's either hard as **** to move up or it's not and ppl just bumhunt... I guess pick your lie? Seriously, just stop posting in this forum, you're full of negativity and bs.

Anyone hitting 1M jackpot already? Worried quite a bit about legitality, these jackpots could easily generate 4-5M downswings to the site.

4-5m, on a site that was bought for 5 billion, and probably generates 500m profit per year. Perhaps we could pass the hat around?

it's just like a scratch ticket with a skill part, it's not like it's a new product. Lotteries typically have much larger profit margins than Pokerstars (which is crazy), but they cope with the variance just fine.

Stars is easily millions ahead right now lol. Even in off-peak times with the lowest traffic possible you could instant open 4-5 5$ Spins so I`m pretty sure they have at least 10kk SNG per month (wouldn`t be suprised if it`s 15kk+) which means that there should be roughly 4 winners already.

I guess they need to raise the rake even more....

Lottery is different because it is pool based, which means input of money is always greater than output. Jackpot SNGs, on the other hand, is probability based, and short term swings like players hitting jackpot 5 times in a sequence of 500k SNG definitely has a non-zero chance, could be even >1%. I won't question the legitality yet, but PS could release videos of players actually hitting jackpots would make players more comfortable, just like they did with milestone hands.

Yeah the thing is that with 1M jackpot, they could easily rig the odds of hitting one at the beginning, so they would ensure being in profit... And since noone hit yet, they can now change the odds of hitting one significantly, so they can at least write one story about how a poor guy became millionaire and how easy it is...

^^ of course this doesnt necessarily need to be true (and most likely isnt) but there is always the possibility..

Are we sure that it is probability based and not pool based? But even if it isn't it's not as if 5x 1m spin & gos pop off Pokerstars is in trouble. Pokerstars can run variance simulations on the spin and gos and I'm sure they have before they introduced them. As long as they don't introduce spin & gos with a 10 million top prize, don't worry about it .

i hope they never award a millball,

that run "good" on their part would cause alot of people to put on their tin foil hats while in reality their paranioa that stars is rigging something would just cause them to understand their actual chances of profiting from the format more accurately than they currently do

players quitting bad games for bad reasons is still a good result
.........................overraked.........omg.rig ged.......fu stars you greedy POS site

$10.5m rake per 10m 5 spins, stars would much prefer they hit as often as they should for publicity

Played 1005 of those 5$ 1m Spins, only had 3 times a 50$, and never seen an x25 or over. None. Sad.

Overall my effective rake is 13.5%, it hurts.

but are you in profit?

Nope, lost 3.5%.

keep spinnin kid. you're due a 1m spin!