I'm break even over a 25 sample! Am I a winning player?

Will also higher buyins come? Higher than 30s? Or its not worth it?

nobody is. I cashed 5 out of 31, all only 2x pools, ran like total aids, definitely rigged

most tilting thing about these is when the slot is spinning, it goes slower, sloower, sloooower...... then speeds up again to get to the basic 2x prize

congrats on actually winning one, im 0 in 10. problem solved tho.




sad to see the direction stars is going. replace reload bonus with all-in shootouts and now this.

Epic fail by Stars to introduce these with no deal making facilities. Just watched a $7 buyin with prizepool $7k 1st, $700 $700. The players spend the whole game frantically trying to work out if they can make a deal in the chatbox. Then an offical Stars Moderator turns up and informs the players to click on the 'deal' button in the info tab, which doesn't even exist for these tournaments. You couldn't make it up.

What we really need is a well-run poker site that can compete with Stars and offer a decent product without turning their site into a rake-grab. What we actually have are Party and ipoker. The future is bleak.

Heh if you're dumb enough to play a 3 man hyper turbo sng with the intent of making a deal you deserve to have 0 dollars. They should consider themselves lucky to get 100 bi's. Go play a slot machine ffs.

I would personally prefer to have a deal option for at least the highest tier, as long as I'm not backed and rolled for less than the top buyin available, for the simple fact that I would be able to move up sooner. It doesn't make variance go away and I think BRM would still be kinda steep, but it puts a dent in it. The argument that more "monster fish" are created without it is an interesting one though.

agree on no deals.

I am afraid in no time this games are dry.
is there already been a second 36k one?

Those who're opposed to dealmaking are just too lazy to develop CrownUpGuy-esque negotiating skills

lol

Seriously, if anyone of you happens to run into me in a $36K Spin when the dealmaking function is up and running, my conditions (in case the deal is struck at the start) are going to be: >=$10K to me + >=$12K left in play for the winner

Made several simulations on them with very interesting results. Solid regs with 2-3% ROI could play thousands of games for months and still make nothing due to variance!!!

Unless these are super soft like twice or three times better than hyper HUSNGs its complete suicide to grind them.

I am talking atleast 6-9% ROI after 40% rakeback with supernova and 200k VPPS.

Looks like this experiment will end in one of two ways:

A) Pokerstars ingenious structure/presentation will attract tons of fish that will sustain the high ROI mentioned above and everyone will be happy (regs/recreationals/pokerstars).

B) There is going to be an equilibrium were no one will be able make any decent income due to rake and variance besides the very few super lucky people. Regs are going to be furious and within months if not weeks we will have petitions here to boycott pokerstars since its possible these will kill HUSNGS too...ending in a total disaster for both pokerstars and players.

Personally i am thinking to take a shot at them and if i can't sustain a huge ROI i will get back to HUSNGS. If HUSNGS become dry too because of them i will have to quit playing at pokerstars..

This is true of literally every form of poker. A more interesting analysis would be the frequency of some arbitrarily long breakeven stretch for a given realistic reg winrate compared to the frequency of breakeven stretches for hypers and MTTs

Also, judging by some of the crack-addled reactions to these games, a sustained super-soft field seems kinda plausible...

I'll send too an email requesting to be excluded from those crack games. They're good just for fun when you want to gamble and expecting to be lucky with the jackpot, imo.

lol at there being no deals and then the completely insane people who WANT there to be no deals. This is by far the highest variance stuff out there period. If you somehow are really good enough to 12 table these and have a theoretical long term 1-5% edge after rake/rakeback etc. you are looking at the possibility of like a 1-2+ year bad swing possibly if you run like complete death at the highest jackpot ones. Maybe even worse lol... I mean you could run bad over 500k+ of these for sure.

Also by offering deals you create more fish with bankrolls who will likely continue playing these and move up in stakes when applicable. Also I wouldn't be surprised that lots of players would sacrifice a few % in EV just to get the big payout.

Also a big +1 to deal making with a forced remainder to play for, like if the pool is 30k or whatever you still have to play for 3k. Obviously not as exciting for the rail but people will go busto fast otherwise.

omg i am such a fish cause i lovr these spin and gos! and tthis has ofc nothing to do with the fact that the first time i play these i won a 15 dollar spin and go with a 1800 prizepool 😜at the same time i have no idea about how my ranges should change compared to hu sng!?!

I do think spin'n'go is profitable, i played 115 games $1 and $3 with 13% ROI. They do have i really high variance. But doing some calculation considering the prizes we have:

(Not considering additional 10% on top 3 prizes)
---------
Tier - Prize - rate
1- 1000BI - 0,005%
2- 200BI - 0,01%
3- 100BI - 0,015%
4- 25BI - 0,08%
5- 10BI - 1%
6- 6BI - 8%
7- 4BI - 13,51%
8- 2BI - 77,28%

(The structure above is the same for all tiers).

Which means that on average we play for 2,771 BI Prize + 10% of the prize $ on the top 3 tiers. You don't win the 10% if you win the match.

So, to breakeven we have to win a game every 2,77 games (36,1% win rate, 0% ROI).
Winning 2 out of 5 games (40% win rate) we would have 10,8% ROI, not that scary =D.

Simple win rate table
Wins/games - Winrate - (ROI)
1/10 - 10% - (-78%)
2/10 - 20% - (-44%)
3/10 - 30% - (-17%)
4/10 - 40% - (+10%)
5/10 - 50% - (+38%)
6/10 - 60% - (+66%)
7/10 - 70% - (+93%)
8/10 - 80% - (+121%)
9/10 - 90% - (+149%)

If i miss calculated something, quote me.

These things are really crushing 9 man hyper traffic DO NOT LIKE!!!! This time of day is normally pretty slow but today it's so slow it's almost un-grindable. Makes me pretty sad.

9 mans still have traffic in 2014?

I thought 6 max hypers really took a dent out of all other non HU versions of SNGs...

I just won $1800 on this, I love to degen!

9 max hypers still have a decent amount of traffic, that is until now. Definitely don't fill up like the 6s do though.

This is high addictive! LOL gamble ftw!

Biggest one I've seen at my tables was $180 at the $30s but I've done pretty good in the $180 prizepool ones..



Should quit while ahead

+1

whats the point on not wanting deals? 3 guys need to agree for the deal to happen, so there is no downside at all... fish gamblers will still have their shot.

on a second hand would be nice to keep the thread useful as its a new format and needs some seriousness, and remove all the stupid "i played <<insert meaningless sample here>> and didnt win!! games nut pruffitabol, herp derp!"