Do you coach? Teach us your ways.

callme, stop hating on the guy just because he pwns the games and you're not as good as him

math is wrong sometimes

speaking of math tho, it was 12,800 or 13.300 games to have a 50% chance of spinning 1000x in the old format, hows that for the 3,000x?

Yeah its like coaching from greenie, not gonna happend, im to fishy for that game.

You know how they say.. start from the bottom... so maybe try some 6max "crushers" first before you advance the ladder... Maybe the dude with the 1k downer is a good start - he can give you solid advice on mental game imo...

If thats supposed to be trolling, try harder.
If u are serious I am very sorry for you

lol people are 2+2 are so funny they spend all day talking pointless strategy. And then 9/10 of them are losing player, if you lose 50 buyins at spin and go's then you aren't a very good player imo and if you think it's the highest variance game or close to one of the highest variance games then you definitely are a losing player Lmao, can't wait to hear what you morons say now hahahaha

you tell em, bro! haters gonna hate. but I asked if you coach?

i dont know if you have discovered this in your extensive research, but over 70% of the time spin and gos only pay out 2 buyins despite it being a 3 player tournament


whether you get that missing money back** depends on whether you are fortunate enough to be dealt into rare games, and then whether or not you win those rare games



some of the posters you are disagreeing with feel that their talent for the game should affect the outcome more than what prize pool they are randomly assigned a small % of the time

just food for thought

Lol but it doesn't matter the rake when your playing fish lol 47% winrate over 670 games so far for me. Like I said the game is easy and. I haven't even hit a multiplier higher then X6

2 of the people I'm referring to are in the top 5 % of 6 max hyper players, in fact they are much better at 6 max than you are at HU. I just think it's funny that you talk down to people about variance when apparently you don't know much about it yourself.

Oh wow, 670 games. I thought you were only talking about some silly small sample like 50 or so.

www.10MinuteStrat.com

this guy is putting in a determined effort to lock up the 2014 dumbest poster award itt, but the mere fact that people like him are playing Spin N Gos is a pretty persuasive reason to give them a try!

These games are good enough to clear your VPP/FPP goals, not more.
Spins affected hu hypers, 6max hypers and probalby alot of other games that I did not even think about yet in a very bad way. I dont think lots of decent regs will grind these for a long time but maybe I am wrong. I would expect peopel to switch to MTTs/MTTSNGs instead.

I guess that is biased on RB and Statuses not so much on winnings, cuz last time i checked, winners for 6max, i had a hard time finding any... So this statement "Top 5% of 6max" is kinda funny to begin with.
And in other news... Top 5% of a population already starts to include BE-players, or how many %Winners do you think Poker produces?

Obviously I'm talking about top 5% of the regs that are playing 6 max for a living. Lol dude you sound just like the fishtards in NVG.

RB is money. Period.
Being b/e in a format where the best players are b/e is not a negative thing.
Plenty of solid 100s and 200s HU guys only make like 1% ROI pre. Are you saying you're better than them because your ROI is higher because you're playing 30s?

If you don't think that 6 max hypers is the format where people make the most money outside of HIGH STAKES HU hypers (200+), you're delusional.

The trade off is you can run very bad for a long time. In HU this doesn't really happen, (especially lol30s). Hence the reason you don't know anything about variance.

Oh and what do you think your results would look like if you playing 90% regs every day instead of snagging lolbad fish for 70% of your volume in your cartel?

I think you missed the point somewhere. My point was that HU and 6max seem to have a rather different approach to the game, and this approach affects variance.

I guess everyone has a personal choice as whom they like to play, its not like the cartels would forbid you to enter. All you need to do is join the fish heaven and enjoy a variance free game and rake in the cash in stead of the rake

Yes. The exceptions to downswings are when you are battling to get into a cartel/divsion and have -ve ROI

I was gonna post, but Sandman took the words right out of my mouth. I don't play 6-max but I know there are a ton of players making good money, and the variance is hugeeee.

No, you were taking a shot at 6 max, and saying basically that players that win money from rb are beneath you.


And obv the cartels would not forbid me to enter, but it's not like they'd have a choice. If I decided to sit 30s I would crush every reg there, including you and whether or not you wanted me in, I would eventually have my own lobbies because no one would sit me. And I'm not even good at HU. If I thought I could make more money doing that, I would. In the end I choose the format where my theoretical earnings are the highest, to make the same hourly as what I should be making at 6 max, I'd have to be playing 200s and we all know what a **** show it is getting into that group.

Oh and to get back to topic. Spins suck

As a recreational player these games are great, I have a full time career and I play a max of 2 hours a night and not at all a lot of nights due to social life, I like the fact that a winning player can log on play for a few hours crush these games and even have a shot at 1000's of dollars, I beat the game without hitting high multipliers and the chance of a high multiplier is just a bonus

Thing is most people complaining about the huge variance seem to take 36% winrate. Games definitly feel softer than that. Not saying 45% or something ridiculous is obtainable but 39% doesn't seem impossible in 15s, which would take away a LOT of the variance. Because 36% is barely beating rake tbh (need 35.0x% for breakeven pre-rakeback).

And this thread all of a sudden turned into how much 6 max hyper regs are better than hu hyper regs.

Please let's get back to "lol I have 47% winrate in spin and goes" or even better strat by Poisonlolz.

I've seen quite a bit of supernova's that seem to play push or fold up till 35bb's heads-up. Not sure if they're hu or 6max but it's funny nonetheless. ^^

No, this thread turned into a HU player telling people they don't know about variance, when he doesn't know about variance, and then telling 6 max players they're bad because they make most of their money from rb, and a 6 max player responding because I can't help but feed the trolls sometimes.

The point to take from all this is that the variance you can incur from Spins can be up to 10x that of 6 max hyper and these games currently have the most variance.

So people unless you want your graphs to look like these TIMES 10:




(ABI: 71)




then don't play Spins, because then this will seem like a drop in the bucket when you've play 500k games and you're 8k BI under EV and you want to throw yourself off a bridge.