** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **
10-22-2014
, 04:47 PM
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Shoving >70% hands heads up as the big stack is a profitable and pretty unexploitable strategy. Very few of the shortstack's hands can call, as if they bust they wont be ITM. The reason regs who have shortstack shove every hand is to eliminate the opportunity for the big stack to shove over their limp/minraise.
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Its better to play 3bet (shove)/fold from the BB imo. You might think its good to flat sometimes when SB steals, but its hard to play profitably postflop when you don't have the initiative. There are just too few hands that are profitable from that position.
In the SB on the other hand you never want to 3bet. With your premium hands the best way to get money in is to flat a BTN steal and induce a squeeze from the BB. With all your premiums in your flatting range, you can also flat a lot of weak hands. I like to defend around 50% from the SB.
In the SB on the other hand you never want to 3bet. With your premium hands the best way to get money in is to flat a BTN steal and induce a squeeze from the BB. With all your premiums in your flatting range, you can also flat a lot of weak hands. I like to defend around 50% from the SB.
If this was a level, WP.
10-22-2014
, 04:54 PM
10-22-2014
, 05:10 PM
hint for poisonlolz: theres no icm at spin & go
10-22-2014
, 05:44 PM
CRUSHING SPIN&GO'S PART 2: POSTFLOP
WARNING: LONG
There are 2 main things to consider when deciding your postflop strategy:
-Your relative hand strength vs. opponents range
-Stack sizes
Many people get too caught up in board textures and trying to "soulread" the opponents. It is important to remember that the edges in these games come from (in order of importance):
1. Preflop strategy
2. Not making BIG MISTAKES postflop
3. Exploiting opponent's looseness (for fish)/over-aggressiveness (for regs)
You want to use a kinda polar cbetting range, but always hands with good equity (strongest hands+draws), and check back all SD val, midpairs, bottom pairs etc. Basically cbet all hands you are willing to barrel 3 streets with and CHECK THE REST. You should have a pretty low cbet % compared to most people but thats fine. You should also play WAY tighter than (1-a), as people aren't bluffing enough.
"But if I fold too much, i will have a losing NSD line!!!!" Says spewy regfish. Well thats exactly what you want.
I try to lose at least $1k USD in NSD winnings per day. For lower stakes players 25BI per day is a good goal to aim for. Proof:
So now we know how to maximize your chip stack. However, this is not all there is to 3 max poker. In this format, you want to either bust an opponent or MINIMIZE your stack size (but not bust). This is because being the shortstack is the most profitable spot to be in. This concept is harder to understand, esp. for HU guys but let me use an example to clarify:
You open button, BB calls and you barrel 2 streets on board: [5h Td Ks 3h] with 7h8h. Say [Js] hits on the river and you have 300 behind with a 280 chip pot. Lets say you think the Js is a good bluffcard. Shoving river would be a hugely -EV play. What you want to do bet around HALF POT with all your betting range on this river. Why? 2 reasons:
1. If he calls and we lose we lose all our chips AND our opportunity to be the shortstack.
2. Even if he calls and we lose with the bluff portion of our range, we get to be the shortstack and exert a HUGE edge on opponents in the next hand. With a 7 BB stack you will often get all in with the other 2 players and they will fold each others equity out postflop!!! Basically, even if he calls 100% in that spot its +EV to bluff!
If you got questions feel free to ask
tl;dr: Play tight post, minimze stack size, losing NSD line is good not a leak.
WARNING: LONG
There are 2 main things to consider when deciding your postflop strategy:
-Your relative hand strength vs. opponents range
-Stack sizes
Many people get too caught up in board textures and trying to "soulread" the opponents. It is important to remember that the edges in these games come from (in order of importance):
1. Preflop strategy
2. Not making BIG MISTAKES postflop
3. Exploiting opponent's looseness (for fish)/over-aggressiveness (for regs)
You want to use a kinda polar cbetting range, but always hands with good equity (strongest hands+draws), and check back all SD val, midpairs, bottom pairs etc. Basically cbet all hands you are willing to barrel 3 streets with and CHECK THE REST. You should have a pretty low cbet % compared to most people but thats fine. You should also play WAY tighter than (1-a), as people aren't bluffing enough.
"But if I fold too much, i will have a losing NSD line!!!!" Says spewy regfish. Well thats exactly what you want.
I try to lose at least $1k USD in NSD winnings per day. For lower stakes players 25BI per day is a good goal to aim for. Proof:
So now we know how to maximize your chip stack. However, this is not all there is to 3 max poker. In this format, you want to either bust an opponent or MINIMIZE your stack size (but not bust). This is because being the shortstack is the most profitable spot to be in. This concept is harder to understand, esp. for HU guys but let me use an example to clarify:
You open button, BB calls and you barrel 2 streets on board: [5h Td Ks 3h] with 7h8h. Say [Js] hits on the river and you have 300 behind with a 280 chip pot. Lets say you think the Js is a good bluffcard. Shoving river would be a hugely -EV play. What you want to do bet around HALF POT with all your betting range on this river. Why? 2 reasons:
1. If he calls and we lose we lose all our chips AND our opportunity to be the shortstack.
2. Even if he calls and we lose with the bluff portion of our range, we get to be the shortstack and exert a HUGE edge on opponents in the next hand. With a 7 BB stack you will often get all in with the other 2 players and they will fold each others equity out postflop!!! Basically, even if he calls 100% in that spot its +EV to bluff!
If you got questions feel free to ask
tl;dr: Play tight post, minimze stack size, losing NSD line is good not a leak.
10-22-2014
, 06:08 PM
10-22-2014
, 06:11 PM
I just luckboxed
A coach that's actually winning by a big chip would probably be getting severely underpaid for their information, so most likely is no.
A coach that's actually winning by a big chip would probably be getting severely underpaid for their information, so most likely is no.
10-22-2014
, 06:47 PM
10-22-2014
, 07:04 PM
To Kobmish:
Some people ITT don't understand the concept of stack size leverage, but i explained it pretty badly. Let me elucidate: I am saying that the value of each chip increases as your chip stack decreseas. Sometimes 6BB stacks are better than 12BB stacks but 6BB stacks are always worse than 25BB stacks. I like your thinking too, gotta do some work off the table to find out the exact $value of each stack tho
Good luck on your journey up the stakes from the $60's cartel to the $7's spin&go's\
Oooo I live in Melbourne too perhaps we can share strat
Some people ITT don't understand the concept of stack size leverage, but i explained it pretty badly. Let me elucidate: I am saying that the value of each chip increases as your chip stack decreseas. Sometimes 6BB stacks are better than 12BB stacks but 6BB stacks are always worse than 25BB stacks. I like your thinking too, gotta do some work off the table to find out the exact $value of each stack tho
Good luck on your journey up the stakes from the $60's cartel to the $7's spin&go's\
Oooo I live in Melbourne too perhaps we can share strat