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Old 04-02-2020, 09:23 PM   #7276
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Anyone have an roi to share on America’s card room over a decent sample? Curious what’s realistic ty
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Old 05-17-2020, 01:55 PM   #7277
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Hello, I am really curious what a good CEV would be for flash games on 5$.

Lets say 2500/5000 game sample, what CEV is the minimum you would need to crush these games?
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Old 06-27-2020, 03:32 AM   #7278
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It's sad to see this thread dead.

I just want to leave here a warning for all players thinking about playing on Ggpoker. If you look up, there are many other theards from other players about this.

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Old 07-24-2020, 11:00 AM   #7279
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

K6o a close call vs okish player 10bb?
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Old 07-24-2020, 11:03 AM   #7280
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hu or 3way? min raise or jam? ip or oop?
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Old 07-24-2020, 11:05 AM   #7281
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HU, jam
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Old 07-24-2020, 11:37 AM   #7282
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snap call for me

not sure on the advanced spin meta these days but that's a snap according nash equilibrium

i'm only folding there with a very strong read villain wouldn't do that without an ace

https://www.holdemresources.net/hune

i'd hold off on a second opinion though, the overall meta seems way tighter than nash and I could be an outlier in thought on this, mostly just grinding a couple $2 and $5 each week when i have some spare time for the lols as well these days
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Old 08-05-2020, 11:08 AM   #7283
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Spins and gos now have now started on PPPoker and Pokerbros - but only a few clubs have them so far.

Both Unibet and GGpoker running some decent promos atm for the format.

Not sure what other sites are good value for this. Assume GG is pretty reg-heavy atm as it is a leaderboard promotion.
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Old 08-06-2020, 05:41 AM   #7284
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Can Spins with 11% rake and no rb but with the weakest players you've encountered be beaten for a decent roi?
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Old 08-06-2020, 03:12 PM   #7285
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Can Spins with 11% rake and no rb but with the weakest players you've encountered be beaten for a decent roi?
I think it will depend on a few things (like blind structure and payouts), but in general I'd say the answer is no, probably not. Even with an extremely soft field I think you'd have trouble winning at more than a couple percent in that kind of game.
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Old 08-06-2020, 04:13 PM   #7286
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fyi there is rakeback on pokerbros, you got a crap agent
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Old 08-07-2020, 11:48 AM   #7287
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if every game is 2 fish/whales you might be able to get 90+cev and 4-5% roi post rake, but the games have to be very soft with a decent structure
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Old 08-08-2020, 08:19 AM   #7288
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I think it will depend on a few things (like blind structure and payouts), but in general I'd say the answer is no, probably not. Even with an extremely soft field I think you'd have trouble winning at more than a couple percent in that kind of game.
Thanks for the answers, that's what I was afraid. They are actually quite fast at 20BB starting stacks and 2 min levels. They're just so atractive because of the softness of the field but they feel like a huge rake trap.
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Old 08-10-2020, 12:42 PM   #7289
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Does any one know the accurate prize distribution for the Pokerstars $10 Spin & Go's? On their web page the announced max win is $100.000, but the $10 that runs now has a top prize of $1 Million, so the distribution should be different.
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Old 08-18-2020, 07:30 AM   #7290
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Hey all,

I just moved up from $1 to $5 spins. My long term CEV did not necessarily justify it (36cev over 2500 tourney's) but that included a nasty downturn I had where I went -19,000 cev in 2 days, and where the CEV of my last ~1000 tournys was about 70. I am actually finding the $5 games easier to play as I find the players more predictable. Don't know if that makes sense but over all I get a better read on what the $5 players are up to.

I do have 1 question about CEV...I understand there is a lot of variance in this game, but is the variance just in results ie. ITM rate, ROI etc. or does it affect CEV as well? I find that I will have several days where I do quite well, where my CEV is very good, and wher eeven when I lose I will have slightly negative CEV or even positive CEV. Then I will have 1 or 2 days a week where I cannot do anything. Where my bluffs are called, flushes never come, and worse I get nailed on the river by a guy chasing and lose half + of my stack in the process. On these days it seems that every round ends up -cev.

Is this normal? I mean, is it normal to have long spans of negative CEV?

note: I am -5000 CEV in my last 55 tournaments.

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Old 08-18-2020, 10:06 AM   #7291
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not in a position to comment on the data but you'd be taken a lot more seriously getting a question about variance answered if you didn't litter it with badbeat stories

honestly sounds like the return of fgators

if anything i'm inclined to believe this is your normal win rate and earlier just ran super hot (something that should always be a consideration)

agree that there wouldn't be a noticeable skill difference between $1 and $5, just a few less yolo for fun players
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Old 08-18-2020, 10:47 AM   #7292
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not in a position to comment on the data but you'd be taken a lot more seriously getting a question about variance answered if you didn't litter it with badbeat stories

honestly sounds like the return of fgators

if anything i'm inclined to believe this is your normal win rate and earlier just ran super hot (something that should always be a consideration)

agree that there wouldn't be a noticeable skill difference between $1 and $5, just a few less yolo for fun players
What a douchebag.

I did not write any bad beat stories. I gave a 1 line example of the type of issues I am facing. Littered with bad beat stories? really? littered? 1 line? GTFO.

Is that what trolls like you like to do...not answer a direct question but draw conclusions without evidence to back them up? I said what my normal win rate is...over 3400 matches I am hovering around 40CEV. Since the beginning of August I have bumped up to about 54cev (1400 matches), and in the 250 matches I have played at $5 level I have a 48CEV.

Why couldn't just just answer the question instead of obfuscating? It is a simple question: is it normal for CEV to drop when you through cold patches. ie. when my ITM drops from 36+ to 24 is it normal for my CEV to tank with it.
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Old 08-18-2020, 10:53 AM   #7293
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Yea ofc it’s normal for cev to be lower in a downswing where you are for example ITM less also.

Also 40cev is pretty bad for 1s-5s, haven’t played there in forever but i’ve seen several decent samples of people getting >100cev in the micros.
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:03 AM   #7294
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calm down, i answered your question and nowhere did i insult you, you got some seriously thin skin bro

you're new here, i did you a favor by mentioning when you add stuff like this in a question about variance you're not doing yourself any favors and just opening yourself to get ignored/ridiculed

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Where my bluffs are called, flushes never come, and worse I get nailed on the river by a guy chasing and lose half + of my stack in the process.
nowhere was I being mean spirited or anything of the sort but rather i was the first person to bother trying to help answer your question, you gotta work on your reading comprehension or best stay off the internet lest it break you
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:14 AM   #7295
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Yeah I'd recommend staying at 1s and focusing on improving instead of moving up
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Old 08-18-2020, 12:43 PM   #7296
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calm down, i answered your question and nowhere did i insult you, you got some seriously thin skin bro

you're new here, i did you a favor by mentioning when you add stuff like this in a question about variance you're not doing yourself any favors and just opening yourself to get ignored/ridiculed



nowhere was I being mean spirited or anything of the sort but rather i was the first person to bother trying to help answer your question, you gotta work on your reading comprehension or best stay off the internet lest it break you
Ya, that's what you were doing. I mean, you were not ridiculing me, you were just warning me about being ridiculed. And it was 1 line explanation of what's going on, the post is not "littered" with it and that was just a ridiculous thing to say.

Oh, and the number 1 way to identify a troll is to snap back at the troll and watch them say "you are over reacting" or some such thing. You were being a dick and you got called on it.

You didn't help me answer anything and if you think you did you just check yourself into shady acres. As for your lame, pithy little comment about reading comprehension - I just laugh.
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Old 08-18-2020, 12:57 PM   #7297
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Yea ofc itís normal for cev to be lower in a downswing where you are for example ITM less also.

Also 40cev is pretty bad for 1s-5s, havenít played there in forever but iíve seen several decent samples of people getting >100cev in the micros.
I am actually quite happy with the 40CEV at this point because at the beginning of my plan I went through a nasty prolonged losing streak that saw me run like -60 CEV over several hundred hands. That I have clawed back to 40 and climbing makes me happy!

I am perfectly happy playing at the $5 level. The big issue I am having at the moment is that I am getting annihilated by Nash. I am following it, especially below 15BB, and for the love of God am I getting slaughtered. All day long today it seems that when the effective stack gets below 10 and I really start shoving things just fall apart. Like every time I shove Ax I get out kickered dor come up against pairs. As far as I know I am doing things right - getting them down to single digit BB then shoving according to Nash. It just isn't working out.
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:51 PM   #7298
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I am actually quite happy with the 40CEV at this point because at the beginning of my plan I went through a nasty prolonged losing streak that saw me run like -60 CEV over several hundred hands. That I have clawed back to 40 and climbing makes me happy!

I am perfectly happy playing at the $5 level. The big issue I am having at the moment is that I am getting annihilated by Nash. I am following it, especially below 15BB, and for the love of God am I getting slaughtered. All day long today it seems that when the effective stack gets below 10 and I really start shoving things just fall apart. Like every time I shove Ax I get out kickered dor come up against pairs. As far as I know I am doing things right - getting them down to single digit BB then shoving according to Nash. It just isn't working out.
Here is an example of what I am dealing with. This is from 1 match, a $25 (5x) spin. All the hands shown are Heads-up, after I had eliminated the other player. At shove 1 I was way ahead...shove 2 I was slightly ahead...the last shove I had 2BB left.

Shove 1: AQo 25.98% equity
Shove 2: KQs 45.77% equity
Shove 3: K8o 10.20% equity
Shove 4: K8s 29.21% equity
Shove 5: K5o 29,06% equity.

Average equity from Nash shoves = 28.04%

This is an extreme example of what has been happening to me all day. Oh, and on this one match I went -1700 adjusted chips.

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Old 08-18-2020, 05:40 PM   #7299
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You should not really be playing nash until 6bb. It seems like a lot of info is gatekeeped by stables in spins so I'm not sure where you're really supposed to learn that stuff on your own.
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Old 08-18-2020, 08:03 PM   #7300
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"Don't Nash above 7/8bbs" is littered over this forum for years. Even 10 years ago people would say 10bbs.

I do agree with info hidden behind stables, but I think the NASH stuff has come up so frequently, there are many threads where people ask a NASH question like 15-20bbs playing NASH and posters correct that.
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