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Hey guys,

Sameone can type fresh cEV numbers for decent reg (low - mid stakes) ?

Have 2 years break from clicking buttons. In 2k18 play some 25e on *es with 45cEV(6k sample), but witchout any preparation.

Now I slowly back to grind and study. To take some warm-up started from 10e with 65 cEV - it's enough those days ?

Last edited by L010101; 10-06-2019 at 01:35 AM.

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10-08-2019 , 07:30 AM

#7202

klkr

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 55

I think 70 is the average cev regs are getting at 10s, but 85-90, probably even more is achievable.
At 25s weak regs have around 60 cev, decent 65-70, and good 70-75+ (best I've heard is a guy having 85 over 10k games or smth).

65 at 10s is ok, but nothing spectacular.

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10-08-2019 , 08:14 PM

#7203

evqualizer

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 108

Should aim for 75+ at €10 over solid sample.
No point to move up before hand because cEV @ €25 will have a solid drop and then variance can get real ugly.

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10-08-2019 , 09:54 PM

#7204

Mermiad

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 44

depends on how many table do u play. On 2 tables at 10e u should have 80+ ev at least i guess. On 4+ table 65 ch is quiet good.

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10-09-2019 , 08:41 AM

#7205

L010101

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 2

@klkr
Thx for numbers.

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Originally Posted by Mermiad

depends on how many table do u play. On 2 tables at 10e u should have 80+ ev at least i guess. On 4+ table 65 ch is quiet good.

I play 4-6 tables

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10-12-2019 , 12:28 AM

#7206

Kanadian

adept

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 708

Is anyone else seriously considering that ignition 60s have house bots on them?

I'm actually not even kidding, and I resent that I've been conditioned to lulz at all the whales being rigtards, leading me to conflate whales rigtarding and legitimate suspicion such as with ignition's 60$ spins.

I'm actually not kidding. I seriously think Ignition 60s are house botted, and impossible to prove due to anon.

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10-13-2019 , 07:31 AM

#7207

Osky

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 185

Hi all guys!
If you want to have more free space on a table, view this post i edited - only - configuration of Nova Theme.
Best regards.

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10-13-2019 , 09:22 AM

#7208

fragglerock45

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 658

new game on BINGOSTARS - Spin and Go flash

300 starting stack

1 min levels

same rake

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10-13-2019 , 11:19 AM

#7209

dybboss

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,513

Quote:

Originally Posted by fragglerock45

new game on BINGOSTARS - Spin and Go flash

300 starting stack

1 min levels

same rake

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10-14-2019 , 05:44 AM

#7210

Clickinho

stranger

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 10

On that note, do any of you guys know how to filter in PT4 normal spins from "flash" ones?

Some sort of expression filter might be helpful probably, but I know **** about creating those, so not sure how to do that

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10-14-2019 , 10:18 AM

#7211

WeeBey

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clickinho

Quote:

tourney_hand_player_statistics.id_hand in (
select id_hand
from (
select distinct
thps.id_tourney
,thps.id_hand
,sum(thps.amt_before) over (partition by thps.id_hand) = (ts.cnt_players * 300) as ft
from tourney_hand_player_statistics as thps
join tourney_summary as ts on ts.id_tourney = thps.id_tourney) as mtt
where mtt.ft)

I suggest you to add a "not" in front of this expression and to open the calculator and do some subtractions. Since it's SUPER long to load.

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10-14-2019 , 01:27 PM

#7212

Clickinho

stranger

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 10

Thanks, you are a superhero. <3

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10-15-2019 , 04:59 PM

#7213

undftd23

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 108

Is Flash actually an enjoyable playing experience for Recs?

Small sample size, but I haven't really noticed a change in game quality yet so I'm wondering how many people are actually playing it.

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10-18-2019 , 06:59 AM

#7214

BerndManfred

stranger

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6

Hi there,

used to play CG (mainly 6max NL200-1k) from 2008-2012 on several networks and am back now to play and learn tournamentpoker just for fun. My life changed a little bit.. so back then I had a GF and a lot of time.. now wife, 2 kids (4y and 9month) and fulltimejob. so it´s more like a hobby and I am tending to 4 table spin and gos just 4 fun and play some tournaments. Though I will obv. not grind that much like I did in the past I was wondering if party would be the better choice over stars (regarding rakeback) for spin and go`s!? is there something like a rb calc. for spins? kind regards

Last edited by BerndManfred; 10-18-2019 at 07:07 AM.

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10-25-2019 , 06:42 PM

#7215

Notor1ous

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 622

Guys a few questions:

Are flash spin n go beatable?
what stats do you use to track your spins on HM2?

thanks

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10-31-2019 , 12:27 AM

#7216

coon74

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 10,684

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Originally Posted by Clickinho

On that note, do any of you guys know how to filter in PT4 normal spins from "flash" ones?

Here's a hack that doesn't require subqueries and hence computes much faster. In the reports tab, add the filter

Code:

#Chips Won# in (-300,600)

Then only those tourneys where you either lost 300 chips or won 600 in total will be shown, i.e., those Flashes that weren't affected by disconnections. (In normal spins without disconnections, you either lose 500 or win 1000.) In order to include some of the tourneys with disconnections, you can change the filter to

Code:

#Chips Won# between -300 and 600

but that might also include some of the normal spins with disconnections into the sample.

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10-31-2019 , 01:06 PM

#7217

Osky

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osky

Hi all guys!
If you want to have more free space on a table, view this post i edited - only - configuration of Nova Theme.
Best regards.

post updated.

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11-02-2019 , 10:59 AM

#7218

baztalkspoker

grinder

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 681

Quote:

Originally Posted by coon74

Here's a hack that doesn't require subqueries and hence computes much faster. In the reports tab, add the filter

Code:

#Chips Won# in (-300,600)

Code:

#Chips Won# between -300 and 600

but that might also include some of the normal spins with disconnections into the sample.

Nice.

. Is there something similar for HM2?

Just figured out that you can add a tag for this in the manage tags and change starting chips to 300.

Last edited by baztalkspoker; 11-02-2019 at 11:11 AM. Reason: Figured it out.

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11-02-2019 , 05:49 PM

#7219

michabo

stranger

Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Notor1ous

Guys a few questions:

Are flash spin n go beatable?
what stats do you use to track your spins on HM2?

thanks

For me, No. The rake is too high.

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11-03-2019 , 04:54 PM

#7220

Bestpokerplayereu

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 69

i am 2$ spin player and looking for simple spin and go hud 3way and HU preferably for free or max 10$ price any suggestions?

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11-04-2019 , 05:34 AM

#7221

gdaviezz

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 143

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bestpokerplayereu

i am 2$ spin player and looking for simple spin and go hud 3way and HU preferably for free or max 10$ price any suggestions?

use hand2note and there are some HUDs with cheap monthly subs

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11-04-2019 , 10:57 AM

#7222

Bestpokerplayereu

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdaviezz

use hand2note and there are some HUDs with cheap monthly subs

i didnt explain completly, I do have pokertracker 4 but i need hud profile

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11-04-2019 , 03:47 PM

#7223

7betpafold

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 16

Hello, how is it possible that in swongsim, for spins of 15s with 7% rake, winning at 35 chips is a negative evroi? even at 37 chips is still -0.03?
Thanks in advance

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11-04-2019 , 05:02 PM

#7224

Max Cut

Guest

Posts: n/a

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Originally Posted by 7betpafold

Hello, how is it possible that in swongsim, for spins of 15s with 7% rake, winning at 35 chips is a negative evroi? even at 37 chips is still -0.03?
Thanks in advance

Because there are two ways to think about rake.

Where a buyin is split between the house fee and the prize pool:
1: fee / prize
2: fee / (fee + prize)

Swongsim displays rake computed by method 2 (to avoid confusion, because it's what sites advertise).

For a spin with 7% rake, 93% of the buyin goes into the prize pool. So chips for break-even ROI is 7% / 93% * 500 chips ~= 0.0753 * 500 chips ~= 37.6344 chips. [Note: this also assumes winner take all; it will actually be slightly higher for spins with non winner take all tiers.]

You can think of the 7% rake as being about 7.5% rake as calculated by method 1.

Last edited by Max Cut; 11-04-2019 at 05:27 PM.

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11-04-2019 , 05:54 PM

#7225

7betpafold

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 16

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

Thank you! There are also 2 ways to see, although 14.10 + 0.90 fee, 0.90 is a 6% of 15 $ buy in, but 14.90 * 0.064 = 15 $ approxx, its 6% rake or 6.4%, or 7% as they say, or 7.5%? heheh how can I know the real rake?
thanks a lot !!!!

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