Hello,

I've recently started playing Spins and I am currently grinding microstakes. Any suggestions on where I can get some material to study (books, videos, etc)?

Hey all,

I've decided to give spin and go's a shot. So far I have played 145 games and am in the hole, profit of -$1.25, but my win rate bounces around between 34 and 38%.

I know that chips won per game is the best metric for judging ones play but I am not sure how I go about attaining that information. Can someone please explain to me how I do this?

thanks!

do you have pt4?

I didn't, but I do now, but I am having trouble getting it to work. First, hand histories were not being saved by Poker Stars...that is fixed, but the hand histories I do have are not showing in PT4. The statistics page is blank.

Ok, so I think I have figured it out. Well, I was at least able to get the results from 10 tournaments I played tonight. Of 10 games I won 6 (ITM 60%) and had a ROI of 100% ($2.50).

How, exactly, do I convert the chips won to a cEV?

the stat is named something like "all-in adjusted"

you can go to graphs and select

graph for: Tournaments
Winnings in: Chips
Display All-in Equity (checked)

in the information box you can add all in adjusted and number of tournaments and manually calculate cEV/tournament

cEV/tournament is a custom stat that you can download with a quick google search if you dont want to calculate it by hand

Thanks for this. So would I just take the all-in equity figure from the right side of the chart and divide it by the number of tournaments...is that how you get cEV/tournament? Ie. Say the all-in equity after 10 tournaments is 300...would that mean the cEV is 30?

yes, you can get the 300 stat to be displayed in the information box aswell

So no-one had an answer for this?

Thanks again! So here is a graph of my play over the last 2 or 3 days.


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As you can see, I had a run of good luck where I outperformed all-in EV in the first quarter of the graph then it came crashing down as I went well below EV for a spell.

So, at this point, 112 game in, my All-In EV is 5000. So does that mean my cEV is cEV = 5000/112
Cev = 44.64?

As I suggested there really is really not answer to the question...well there is, but the answer is to significantly expand your all-in calling range. In HU you already have an expanded calling range. When playing against someone who goes all-in well beyond reason you just have to expand more.

Yep!

How do you calculate if you beat the game, and how many games/hands are required?

I am thinking that chipEV for each tourny must be higher than the "raked chips" each tourny. But is it that simple? Example: Rake is 8% and starting stack in a game is 500. ChipEV must be higher than 500*0.08 = 40 each tourny.

Should we not also have a look at chipEV isloated for HU play? I mean, if we are crushing 3-handed, but suck at HU-play we could have a really bad ITM%.

This is correct.

Hello again,

So my cEV bounces between the low 40s and mid 50s but I’ve only played 160 games so sample is quite small.

2 questions:

1) how is all-in equity affected by the expansion of who’ve ranges HU? I mean, if I am suppose to shove with lots of hands as Effective stack shrinks won’t I run into many -eve situations that bring my all-in equity and cEV down?

2) when would be the time to move up in stakes? At what CEV should one move from .25 to $1.00 and how many hands should that CEV be maintained before jumping up!

You will run in to -ev situations, push fold game is solved so readless you should use nash.
How it works is lets say you run in to very loose opponent and jam your 76o, its -ev jam, but while you lose ev shipping 76o you will gain more ev when you ship AKo so if you use nash and opponent doesnt, your whole strategy will better than his.
Same goes if you are playing vs someone tight, while you gain ev when jamming 76o because he folds too much in the same time you lose ev when jamming AK, because he is not calling wide.

The way to go is after getting some reads is to push tighter than nash vs loose guys and push wider than nash vs tight guys.

That is basically what I assumed. Besides, depending on stage of game when using Nash the chip-ev should not be as affected because generally the number of chips being risked is quite low. Tight players I do quite well against because you can get them off the hand with a pre-flop raise if they have nothing. The loose players I have more trouble with but only because when I finally decide to shove they suddenly have a hand!

I'm looking to dabble around in PokerStars spins and am wondering how is the softness/"beatableness" of $3 vs. $5 stakes? Effective rake of both seems about the same, but the multipliers seem to differ greatly with the $5 stake being heavily skewed towards 2x.

What exactly does All-in equity count? I assumed that it counts the chips that you would theoretically win or lose based only the equity you have when you make or call an all-in play. Is that right?

I ask because I just played to rounds and lost over 500 of my all-in equity in Poker Tracker. The confusing part is that in those 2 games I only had 1 registered all-in, which I lost, but which I had +65% Equity on. So why would my all-in equity decrease when I had one good shove?

its all in adjusted, if you are all in with cards to come, it will adjust winnings according to your equity, if you are not all in or you are on the river there is nothing to adjust so for example when someone bets and you fold your all in adjusted winnings go down even you are not all in.

Well, things have gone for a crap for me. After 150 tournaments where I hovered around 45-50 cEV, I have had a terrible run of about 30 games where I my All-In adjusted went from ~7500 all they way down to -1000.

I am not doing anything different but seem to be on a streak where I am missing almost every flop, bluffs are not getting through, then when I am running out of chips I shove and seem to be dominated every time. I'm not sure what I can do differently. I've tried being more aggressive but that just leaves me short stacked.

I am at a loss as to what is going on here...since yesterday, my all-in equity is -12,000!!! and I am only ITM at about 23%.

I really need to analyze my play but am at a loss of what to look for. Can anyone suggest some stats in PT4 that I should pay particular attention to? Anecdotally speaking it seems to me that I have run into a spell of bad luck. I seem to flop nothing but bottom and middle and my hands rarely improve after the flop. I waste lot of chips in the process. Then, when I am down below 10bb, I shove strong hands only to come up against monsters.

BTW...though my All-In Equity Adjusted is -12,500 it shows that over this period I was +56.15% in All-Ins...not great but I doubt that is the cause of my problem since it is very close to my equity when I was running decently.

I find it helpful to breakdown the equity by position and effective stack size, that way I can better identify where I'm losing chips (and possibly struggling).

I’m new to pt4...is that something I can do with it?

Yup.

Start under the 'My Reports' tab, scroll to the bottom left to click 'More Filters' and from there you can add things like position, effective stack size and number of players from the 'Hand Details' section. Very useful IMO for leak finding, albeit keep in mind that there's going to be variance in small samples.

GL