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Old 04-15-2019, 09:50 PM   #7026
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Does anyone have the math on the ignition jackpots or grinding them? Wonder how they compare to ROW formats?
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Old 04-17-2019, 03:25 AM   #7027
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Does anyone have the math on the ignition jackpots or grinding them? Wonder how they compare to ROW formats?
Not sure what you mean specifically by math on them, but they are 7% rake, with no rakeback.
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Old 04-26-2019, 05:55 AM   #7028
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Hi Guys,
how are the 15s compared to the 40s? I heared that the 40s are softer, bc of the promo. Can anyone make a statement?
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Old 04-26-2019, 07:39 AM   #7029
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The easiest way to find it out is to observe the games for a few hours. Public forum answers are prone to bias anyway. (The thing is that there are at least 3 variables in the decision - the reg/fish ratio, the skill level of the regs and the rake - and their effect on the ROI depends on how well you play vs good regs and whether you're good at maximising your EV vs worse regs and fish. Also, opponents' skill levels aren't bipolar - they span a continuum that's perceived differently by different observers.)

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Old 04-26-2019, 09:01 AM   #7030
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really doubt that 40s are softer than 15s
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:40 AM   #7031
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I would take a forum consensus over spending a few hours observing each level.
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Old 04-26-2019, 12:41 PM   #7032
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40s slightly softer than 30s but not such a big differense, only played a few hundred of 40s tho. No idea about 15s.
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Old 04-29-2019, 04:58 PM   #7033
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Hey, my red line is really negative, wondering if its contributing to my bad c/t? I have also had a pretty bad run, not just under EV but getting it in second best very frequently. Regardless, how does this graph compare to your guys?
https://gyazo.com/4ab3124d92874486a6540590062444da
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:11 AM   #7034
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Is the disable Seasonal Themes option gone for Spins? After I agreed to the new TOS, I got reverted back to that awful UFC background and can't find the option to disable it anymore.
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Old 05-02-2019, 08:57 AM   #7035
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Is the disable Seasonal Themes option gone for Spins? After I agreed to the new TOS, I got reverted back to that awful UFC background and can't find the option to disable it anymore.
Look into one of the menus directly at the table. There is an option to turn off the seasonal themes. Curiously it's not possible anymore to turn it OFF under setting / table appearance / table settings.
I searched like 2 hours yesterday in order to have a clean looking nova layout again.
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Old 05-02-2019, 09:05 AM   #7036
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Hey, my red line is really negative, wondering if its contributing to my bad c/t? I have also had a pretty bad run, not just under EV but getting it in second best very frequently. Regardless, how does this graph compare to your guys?
https://gyazo.com/4ab3124d92874486a6540590062444da
first of all 400 games is nothing. anything happening over the course of such a small sample might be variance. you might be getting over and over into spots where you rightfully have to fold.

But it also might indicate that you're playing against laggy players or even maniacs without being aware. Also it might indicate that your nonshowdown losses are a sign of a unoptimal preflop/postflop gameplan. Reviewing your own stats/hands/gameplan/exploits vs opponent types might be a good idea.

Non-showdown losses are totally fine, as long as they are compensated by good showdown winnings. If your showdown winnings are marginal though and you're losing heaps non-showdown, you're doing something wrong. It's basically a matter of playing style wether you're going mostly for non-showdown or showdown.
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Old 05-03-2019, 04:17 AM   #7037
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

the less your opponents are prone to folding to bets, the more your winnings will be moving to shodown. i find it hard to get to meaningful conclusions by looking at the redline.
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Old 05-07-2019, 05:14 PM   #7038
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first of all 400 games is nothing. anything happening over the course of such a small sample might be variance. you might be getting over and over into spots where you rightfully have to fold.

But it also might indicate that you're playing against laggy players or even maniacs without being aware. Also it might indicate that your nonshowdown losses are a sign of a unoptimal preflop/postflop gameplan. Reviewing your own stats/hands/gameplan/exploits vs opponent types might be a good idea.

Non-showdown losses are totally fine, as long as they are compensated by good showdown winnings. If your showdown winnings are marginal though and you're losing heaps non-showdown, you're doing something wrong. It's basically a matter of playing style wether you're going mostly for non-showdown or showdown.
Those smaller sample sizes can really mess with your head. I've had +100 cEV runs and -10 cEV runs at the same game over 400 game sample sizes.
That shows how crazy the variance can be in cEV alone much less getting into your ROI which can be even more all over the place.

This is really just a difficult game type to grind out. If it was just sucked out on, it's easy to deal with. But, there are just going to be times when you are playing perfectly fine and just get absolutely crushed when you can't win a showdown and keep getting your money in bad despite it being the right play.
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Old 05-07-2019, 09:47 PM   #7039
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Those smaller sample sizes can really mess with your head. I've had +100 cEV runs and -10 cEV runs at the same game over 400 game sample sizes.
That shows how crazy the variance can be in cEV alone much less getting into your ROI which can be even more all over the place.

This is really just a difficult game type to grind out. If it was just sucked out on, it's easy to deal with. But, there are just going to be times when you are playing perfectly fine and just get absolutely crushed when you can't win a showdown and keep getting your money in bad despite it being the right play.
After 10k hand -30k red line is not bc of variance, it bc porbably you are not beat the limit.
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Old 05-08-2019, 01:47 AM   #7040
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After 10k hand -30k red line is not bc of variance, it bc porbably you are not beat the limit.
I was speaking in general, but that kind of red line is very likely an issue.
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Old 05-08-2019, 06:09 AM   #7041
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I was speaking in general, but that kind of red line is very likely an issue.
agree
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:00 AM   #7042
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redline should be negative 3h in a tough pool

if your redline is massively losing hu then its likely a problem
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Old 05-09-2019, 07:10 PM   #7043
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Hi Guys!
I have a question.
Does it have any relationship between the red line and the real winnings and the EV winnings?

ex: there are 2 players one of them is reaching 8% roi with 0ch/game red line
the other one also reaching 8% roi but with -50ch/game red line

so i would like to know if my red line is 0ch/ game then my EV won will closer to my real won.
And the other player who has -50ch red line is he has bigger variance?

I hope u guys will understand me sorry
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Old 05-09-2019, 10:11 PM   #7044
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

It's possible that there is a correlation between redline and standard deviation but I wouldn't put much thought into it
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Old 05-11-2019, 06:15 AM   #7045
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I have a question.

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so i would like to know if my red line is 0ch/ game then my EV won will closer to my real won.
And the other player who has -50ch red line is he has bigger variance?

IMHO it should be the otherway.

A redline pointing up should reflect in a bigger std deviation what reflects in a bigger variance on the results.

But that difference is bigger the deeper stacked you are.

On spin&go it shouldnt change that much.
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Old 05-13-2019, 04:39 AM   #7046
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Is it worth grinding spins with a 60-65 cEV? Ive player about 1,000 games at the $7 level, but am barely profiting at this cEV level.
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Old 05-13-2019, 04:42 AM   #7047
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Is it worth grinding spins with a 60-65 cEV? Ive player about 1,000 games at the $7 level, but am barely profiting at this cEV level.


Yes, itís worth for sure.
You wonít be getting much more than that in a larger sample.
60-65cEv must be giving you a pretty nice positive ROI, so keep up with the volumen and rhe good work.

On $7s you wont be getting alot of money, tho.
Focus on beating the level and going up on stakes.
On 30s you shall be making some good profit.
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:13 PM   #7048
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I don't have a lot of experience in Spins, but was wondering more about variance in terms of cEV. I already know to expect crazy swings when it comes to BI's, but my cEV had been relatively steady until recently. I was running at 68 cEV over 10k ish games before this recent 130 BI Downswing over 700 games running at -5 cEV.

It's concerning seeing that massive hit in cEV and I've just been getting my money in bad very frequently. My red line doesn't have a huge difference, but it's the blue line that's gone in the tank. My All-In PF EV% and W$SD% are both down 3% over this time compared to my overall numbers and I have seemingly lost the ability to get value for my hands or bluff and am constantly running into better hands lately. I'm definitely not running well, but am trying to figure out how much of it is variance and how much is bad play.
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Old 05-16-2019, 04:23 PM   #7049
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Itís really hard to say for sure.
Spins have a huge variance effect, both for BIs and cEV.
The best way to know if itís bad play or bad run is trying to get a Feedback from different sources. Its a good start to look at this stats and graphs lines. So itís to asking other players opinions (show your HUD, record a live session, hand reviews with em, etc).

If you had 68cEV on a 10k sample, it should mean that you have the game beatted.

Try not playing for a week or so to make sure itís not a burnout.

Try analysing your mental game to see if you dont have leaks there...

And as a suggestion: I always consider it can be bad playing and start looking for possible leaks (they are always there) and how to correct em, but donít go crazy on that.
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Old 05-19-2019, 02:15 PM   #7050
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AI PF down 3% almost explain alone the cev difference.
I was beating my stake at 60+ cev and had a 10k games streak of 37cev before going back to better cev, the variance of CEV can be quite astonishing even over big samples. 700 games are basically nothing.
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