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Old 03-09-2019, 03:50 PM   #7001
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Guys, do you know if these 40$ 3M rake spins are permanent or some promo? Pretty funny with the 7% rake and 0.00001% rakeback, but i'd imagine it would consume some traffic from 30$+, if i was a recreational player i'd rather have the chance to spin 3M when i'm losing my money haha.

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Old 03-09-2019, 05:52 PM   #7002
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Is my calling all ins / jamming range off, based from the EV line in my graph?

Feels like I've gotten it in bad quite a bit, eg. AQ vs AK or AJ vs AQ, as well as a few AK vs AA's, but it's over quite a large sample by now and I'm concerned my ranges are off.

https://gyazo.com/e17f9a84bff47a82f4e2699e7819f48e exactly 500 games.

With an ev graph like this there is just no way I can profit from spins without dumb luck. Lost like $45 so far...
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Old 03-10-2019, 08:16 PM   #7003
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

I don't understand your question, if you want to see how you perform in your AI pre just look the AI eq PF stat on PT4 and start from there. btw 500 spins are nothing as a sample and you can have multiple 0 cev streaks of 500 spins and be a solid winner.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:58 AM   #7004
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

hi guys, i just did read some of the latest posts here. Now i'm a bit concerned.
I was playing poker (approx 40000 Husng, 2000 MTTs) for years but decided to give it longer break, to switch to real life goals. Now i want to start all over for an added source of income again. But my feeling is that everyone is just pissed in a way that poker gets harder to beat. too many regs, too much rake, ****ed up structures. tbh, that was the general case two years ago when i decided to quit.

so, is it just a feeling or did poker got even more tougher, like the general mood seems?

[hint:My general plan to start all over again is at $3 stakes 4-tabling spins, just to start as smooth as possible.]
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:24 AM   #7005
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hi guys, i just did read some of the latest posts here. Now i'm a bit concerned.
I was playing poker (approx 40000 Husng, 2000 MTTs) for years but decided to give it longer break, to switch to real life goals. Now i want to start all over for an added source of income again. But my feeling is that everyone is just pissed in a way that poker gets harder to beat. too many regs, too much rake, ****ed up structures. tbh, that was the general case two years ago when i decided to quit.

so, is it just a feeling or did poker got even more tougher, like the general mood seems?

[hint:My general plan to start all over again is at $3 stakes 4-tabling spins, just to start as smooth as possible.]
Welcome back! In general i whould recomend to not care about all the negative regs. Remember that most of the real crushers dont have a blog or care about telling oyhers about possible winrates. Try to build a team of likeminded people and go from there. Of course the skill of the pool always progress but we are far from spins not being beatable at any stake. That said its hard to climb very far by yourself so start to build a network asap. GL!
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:45 PM   #7006
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Hello, i m a spin player, actualy i m playing 50$ in partypoker.com, anyone here is also playing this stake? how many chips ev you have to reach for a lvl up at 100 on party.com?
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:54 PM   #7007
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thsi **** messes with my head man down another 50 on 1$ sng

im crushing most games its just not going my way idk
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Old 03-28-2019, 07:16 PM   #7008
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while i was playing today on poker stars i`ve noticed that 4x spin and go became 3x
and 6x spin became 5x . how will this affect the games
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:28 PM   #7009
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

The likely purpose of the change is to reduce the probability of a long streak of 2x's, so it might soften the games up a bit.

Perhaps Stars' business intel has seen that the 2x-3x-5x-10x paytable has been working well in Unibet's Hexapro. That was easy to see because Unibet has a public community forum where users post testimonials.
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Old 03-29-2019, 11:02 AM   #7010
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why only on 3s tho?
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Old 03-29-2019, 12:11 PM   #7011
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I guess it's an A/B test, and the 2x-3x-5x structure will be copied to the other BIs if it proves successful (= increases Stars' revenue) at the $3s.
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Old 03-31-2019, 10:51 AM   #7012
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

As I havent played on stars for a long time what is the hud situation? Did they really ban almost anyhting aka stats for different stck sizes etc? What are they thinking? Playing regs without a hud on several tables is a terrible experience.
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Old 04-01-2019, 07:43 AM   #7013
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PokerTracker 4.15.11 Release Notes - March 29, 2019

PokerStars is no longer allowing us to provide the ability to automatically filter your tournament HUD stats based off of stack size. This version removes the automatic stack size filtering (on PokerStars only) so that it is in compliance with PokerStars new rules. Since we believe this is a critical feature for any tournament player, we have replaced the automatic filtering with an on-table button next to each villain's HUD that can be clicked to manually select the player's stack size to view the villain's stats for hands played within the specified stack size range. Obviously, this is not ideal and requires extra clicks but PokerStars is forcing our hand.

Every PokerStars Player Is Required to Be Running This Version or Later!

If you attempt to play on PokerStars, with a version of PokerTracker older than v4.15.11, you may see a popup message from PokerStars explaining that (older) versions of PokerTracker are prohibited.
So filtering by stack sizes now has to be done manually, which will lower the regs' table counts
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Old 04-01-2019, 01:36 PM   #7014
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:48 PM   #7015
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Indeed, we can still have a separate stat for each stack size bracket, having them displayed simultaneously in a large HUD such as the CoffeeHUD, which is still convenient when playing 2-3-max. What's now banned is just the automatic switch from one such stat to another at the same place on the screen, which sucks for 6-9-max tourney (incl. Spin Max) players.
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Old 04-09-2019, 11:02 AM   #7016
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whats with the ufc spin and go theme on pokerstars? the tables look awful
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Old 04-09-2019, 11:24 AM   #7017
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was a rather interesting experience having the theme switch mid session and the entire thing looking like a nightmare, you can disable it under themes by "disable seasonal themes" or something like that
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:14 PM   #7018
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Can someone explain how Al-in Adj calculated on PT4 , I give an example :

button and bb all in preflop for 445 (sb lost 10 chips) , button shows AcKc / bb Jd9d , now PT4 shows that bb has lost -107.1 All-In Adj .
what's the formula to get to that number ?

and how all-in Adj is calculated at the end of the game ? just by +- all hands played ?
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Old 04-12-2019, 10:15 PM   #7019
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

pot is 900 and j9s has 37.55% equity meaning on average he gets back (900*0.3755=)337.95 chips. His starting stack was 445, so it is a loss of 107.05 chip ev, which I guess pt4 is rounding to 107.1.
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Old 04-13-2019, 01:32 AM   #7020
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Thanks value , so total EV for 1 spin also calculated by +_ all hands together ?
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Old 04-13-2019, 03:42 AM   #7021
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Can someone explain how Al-in Adj calculated on PT4 , I give an example :

button and bb all in preflop for 445 (sb lost 10 chips) , button shows AcKc / bb Jd9d , now PT4 shows that bb has lost -107.1 All-In Adj .
what's the formula to get to that number ?

and how all-in Adj is calculated at the end of the game ? just by +- all hands played ?
EV (shove BB) = ((Pot to win * Equity ) - (Stack to lose * Equity))/100 = (17085.25 - 27790.25)/100 = -10705/100 = -107,05
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Old 04-13-2019, 10:05 AM   #7022
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Thanks value , so total EV for 1 spin also calculated by +_ all hands together ?
Yes exactly.
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Old 04-13-2019, 10:12 AM   #7023
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I put some test ( swongsim)with the new 3$ spins payouts to the old ones and it seems like new payouts reduce variance a little bit is harder to lose but over big sample u are winning little bit less but not noticable .As a guy who dont play spins for a living just sometimes when i have time i see this change as a postiive for me since i have good ITM but overall i dont have very good roi cuz of the running too much into x2 and when i get 6-10x i lose them.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:33 PM   #7024
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

How Adj calculated when hero Bet turn while winning and river action is xx but hero lose , pt4 shows I lost 200 adjusted chips in the example while I have 73% equity on the turn . is it correct ? so equity is not calculated for the turn ? or am I missing something ?







Hero (SB): 10 BB
[b]BB: 5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 T

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) J T 2
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (2 BB, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets 1 BB, BB calls 1 BB

River: (4 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero checks

BB shows 2 9 (Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 36%, Flop 26%, Turn 27%)
Hero mucks 3 T (Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 64%, Flop 74%, Turn 73%)
BB wins 4 BB
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Old 04-15-2019, 01:02 AM   #7025
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equity * pot = ev when there is no more action in the hand, so when you're all in or at showdown on the river
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