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Old 12-31-2018, 04:37 PM   #6876
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Hi guys!
Can you tell me What do you think is reasonable for $10s & 20's on PartyPoker?
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:51 PM   #6877
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Are Spin & Go Max tournaments beatable?
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:44 AM   #6878
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Does anyone know how long those 1 Million Special promos on stars.es are going to take?
Not looking to pay even more rake..
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Old 01-05-2019, 01:36 PM   #6879
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I guess that only Stars employees know that, and it's confidential info because they don't want competitors to know too much about their plans.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:42 AM   #6880
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Just bumping this here to see if anyone can give some insight on the Stars $1m promotions on Spins
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...spins-1732917/

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Old 01-09-2019, 03:41 PM   #6881
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Hey Guys,

which is the best way to make postflop content for the spin&go's?

Is there a good video series or do you use a solver or study the theoretical of heads-up?

Thx!
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Old 01-10-2019, 02:53 AM   #6882
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It depends what level you are at and what you are willing to invest.

Mid to high level player "best" options - Join a quality staking program and take advantage of their constantly updated resources OR work alone as a skilled individual with solvers and situational review.

Mid to high level "other" option - Work in a small study group to review/use solvers (effectiveness varies based on motivations, discipline and skills of those you work with) OR work as an unskilled solver user to learn to use the solver (can be effective, but not always efficient to learn alone).

Low to mid level options - Staking program as mentioned above, video series (for low level players Coffeeyay's Beating Spins is still quite helpful, but mid+ are going to need more resources), forum posting for feedback (free, though it's hard to decipher between mulitple conflicting answers from users), small study groups (low quality advice is hard to overcome at low levels, but quality can start to improve at mid levels).
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:12 AM   #6883
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Does anyone have any insights into the game integrity(colluding, botting, etc.) of ignition/Bovada spin n gos?
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:26 PM   #6884
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Someone more familiar with the easier botting sites than myself may be able to provide insight on the botting front, but colluding/cheating it's hard to tell. If their registration is blind (not random) like PokerStars, then it's likely some people would line up and wait to get a game before registering, collusion wise I doubt that's happening and would not be worried, colluding in SNGs as teammates was a huge thing in the early 2000s and most people that did it got caught and/or lost money.
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Old 01-12-2019, 01:02 AM   #6885
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Hey guys. I just wanted to ask you if you think that my run it's normal? I don't know what to think anymore. That's 7s, not 60s or 100s. I know about variance, but that brutal, at 7s, 150 BI under EV? And I'm keep losing money, it's not like my EV is going up and my BR stays the same. Did any of you have experienced something similar at low stakes? Thanks!
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:57 AM   #6886
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what is your chip ev?
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:37 AM   #6887
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In those 2184 games the cEV is 58. But I can't complain tbh. At how I run, I'm happy with it. Overall it's 65. What surprises me is that with a 58 cEV in 2184 games, I'm down 100 BI when I should have been up 60 BI. I can't find any explanation. As i said, it's 7s not highstakes...
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Old 01-12-2019, 11:32 AM   #6888
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I'm down 100 BI when I should have been up 60 BI. I can't find any explanation. As i said, it's 7s not highstakes...
you probably have the wrong expectation about how stakes influence your BI(!)-swings. with the same cEV your swings will be higher, because rake is more. it is still very unlucky.
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Old 01-12-2019, 01:23 PM   #6889
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https://imgur.com/a/HoqcXQx
This is the graph since the nightmare has began...I never thought that at 7s you can run this awkward. As I said, i'm content with that cEV taking in consideration my run.

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Old 01-12-2019, 05:11 PM   #6890
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https://imgur.com/a/HoqcXQx
This is the graph since the nightmare has began...I never thought that at 7s you can run this awkward. As I said, i'm content with that cEV taking in consideration my run.


Someone has to pay for those 12,000x spins
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:12 PM   #6891
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Old 01-13-2019, 11:37 AM   #6892
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59 cEV is very low for 7s and rake isnt helping you either, with that said, that variance is quite ridiculous but not what you should be focusing on really
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:49 PM   #6893
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Dozer, ya, I know that 59 cEV is not good for 7s, but look at my graph. I can't win at showdown. And when your opponent always has it on the river, it's pretty hard to achieve a better cEV.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:05 PM   #6894
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when your opponent always has it on the river
Are you sure it's bad luck, not the population tendency to bluff the river less often than in the equilibrium that's exploitable by herofolding more often?

How big is your River Call Efficiency stat?

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Old 01-14-2019, 08:06 AM   #6895
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Dozer, ya, I know that 59 cEV is not good for 7s, but look at my graph. I can't win at showdown. And when your opponent always has it on the river, it's pretty hard to achieve a better cEV.
you are a literal chimpanzee if you can't achieve 120cEV on 7s while 10tabling

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Old 01-15-2019, 02:43 PM   #6896
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59 cev is arround 1.7% evROI without the top 4 multipliers.
Its pretty bad. And a waste of time to play with that.
Also dont let people tell you there are close to no regs at 7s. Theres plenty.
Not saying they are very good, but they will reduce your winrate either way.
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:28 PM   #6897
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59 cev is arround 1.7% evROI without the top 4 multipliers.
Its pretty bad. And a waste of time to play with that.
Also dont let people tell you there are close to no regs at 7s. Theres plenty.
Not saying they are very good, but they will reduce your winrate either way.
Why are we discussing how good or bad is a 59cEV? I also said that it's not a good cEV for 7s, but even with that I should have been up 60 BI, not down 100. My overall cEV at 7s was 71 after 11k games and then I had ~3-4000 games of ****ty run all culminating with these last ~2000 nightmare games and now my overall cEV is 65. And you keep saying about how bad that 59 cEV but you don't seem to notice my ****ty run. Trust me, that kind of variance it's not that common at 7s no matter what you'll think. And when you're running bad, your EV has to suffer also...Anyway, I really appreciate your reply.
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Old 01-16-2019, 02:54 PM   #6898
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Why are we discussing how good or bad is a 59cEV? I also said that it's not a good cEV for 7s, but even with that I should have been up 60 BI, not down 100. My overall cEV at 7s was 71 after 11k games and then I had ~3-4000 games of ****ty run all culminating with these last ~2000 nightmare games and now my overall cEV is 65. And you keep saying about how bad that 59 cEV but you don't seem to notice my ****ty run. Trust me, that kind of variance it's not that common at 7s no matter what you'll think. And when you're running bad, your EV has to suffer also...Anyway, I really appreciate your reply.
Its like a bottom 5% run. Either way, if you have a bigger sample you should rather look at that and post that aswell. How do we know you didnt run alot over ev in your previous games?
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:40 PM   #6899
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Sorso you're focusing on the stakes wich makes no sense. It's not like I'm playing 100s and I should swing more than you. 150BI is annoying but I was over 300BI EV difference in 10k games. Just keep studying and playing your best, I know it's hard when you are in a bad run but it's really the only thing you can do.
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:40 PM   #6900
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Sorso you're focusing on the stakes wich makes no sense. It's not like I'm playing 100s and I should swing more than you. 150BI is annoying but I was over 300BI EV difference in 10k games. Just keep studying and playing your best, I know it's hard when you are in a bad run but it's really the only thing you can do.
I'll do so. Thank you mate! I appreciate your answer!
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