Orange line/ games. 10000/141 and you'll get chip EV. Put it into formula and you should have made 2,5$, put you could make negative % of expected even after thousands of games.

Thanks for the response, what formula are you talking about though?

And yeah I know that variance in these things is very high I just had no idea how to get an idea of what's going on in these things.

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Post like this don't work when you haven't read yourself.

This is the part I'm asking about.

10000/141 = 70.9219858156

From what I've looked up

[3*(1-0.08)*(500+Cev)/1500]-1 gives you an ROI 0.0504964539

0.0504964539*0.25*141 = $1.78 which doesn't add up.

This looks correct.

Question. PT4 pros pls. PT4 swallowed my 'tourney summaries'. How do I retrieve 'tourney summaries' back from PT4 to see the multipliers, so I can analyze them?

database > export hands, it should export hand histories + tournament summaries separately (tournament summaries being the 1kb files)
if not you can request hh from site

The original summaries can be found in %LOCALAPPDATA%\PokerTracker\processed on your hard disk

good luck to anyone playing on stars still, i would recommend keeping as little of your funds there as you possibly can - it has now been over a month since they froze my account and have not replied on the subject since, while keeping my money

As in you sent them an email? If I had serious money on there and got banned for no reason I'd get a reply.

Thx for reply. PT4 said it exported X num hands + Y num tourney summaries, yet it only actually exported hands no summaries, which is dumb.

Yeah, but requesting hands from the site is not really a viable option due to me not being able to access the data fast and concurrently with me using a poker tracking software + too much overhead.

What is a good win rate in EV from the BB HU in Spins at say 15s and 30s ?

+15 at least ..

i've sent them probably 5+ e-mails as they asked for some information, as well as i needed HHs and audits which i had no access to given i cant log in

Emails are the nut worst way of contacting people when you want something done and they don't really care all that much.

Yeah, 100%. But it's about tourney $ net won vs EV $ net won winnings graph, not chips won graph. Same applies for tourneys, IIRC, the EV graph is just wrong

Even for other games like 6max hypers or?

Hi, thanks, great post. Used the info & found those tsummaries ))

Yeah, probably. Always when I bing a place in the tourney HM2 shows me basically same EV as real money won for the wins and then just adjusts lost money to EV chips won or whatever.

Thus for reviewing tournament graph, PT4 is better, it uses some kinda of formula to adjust won scores too. Next post = rant.

true but unfortunately stars does not really have any other communication channels that i am aware of, if you or anyone else has any other ideas / contacts please pm

What you are talking about seems to be for MTTs not STT?

MTTs and Spins, never really had sample on non-lottery STTs so no idea.

How many chips per game is considered endboss level for 7s, 15s and 30s?

You have to remember that most ppl posting high cEV graphs from those levels are:

1) Cherry picking
2) Ran very hot last stretches
3) Posting prob the last tournament they ever play at those stakes since they will move up

So in reality you never find out what is achievable long term best since this will never be tested. No answer in a forum here will be very helpful in determining these numbers.

100 spins and 60s spins graphs will be more accurate for sure- since the long term is tested here by a lot of regs, and there are a lot of graphs. But again- almost every single player that posts graphs has incentive to represent a higher winrate long term.

Big stables with good graphs pretty much use the guys at highstakes as advertising to get sign ups. And if they have enough players at high stakes (say 10 players with 30cEV long term)- they will always produce very good graphs on a monthly basis due to variance and obviously no reason to post losing month graphs.

True, long term, consistent results at 100s are very rarely posted, and pretty much only done so by someone trying to sell coaching.

It's a dog eat dog business.

Back in the day we could just sharkscope it to see

I'd be interested in seeing your spin&go and HU winrate across the different stakes and speeds, if you don't mind.