Hi,
Thank your Reply
But i can not play on 30s because of the variance, i dont have 200-300Buy-ins.
(i can play 1-1.5k piece / mounth)
If i play on 10EUR/15$ i can reach 10%/8% EV ROI and if i reach as hight EV ROI then the real ROI will be 80% similar. This is calculated with SwongSwin software.
The smaller real ROI you have, the bigger the difference will be between the real ROI and the EVROI.

Regards

While that should be common sense, can only highlight for importance!

@gdaviezz I have never seen someone with 80% cut for 500's tbh, it's crazy high for 100's even from what I know

I have 70% for 500s and 75% if i win the stable leaderboard, probably are some people out there on 80%

I tested out some spin and go's over the last few days. Just at the $3 level, nothing big.

I made ~$5k from spin and go's grinding them in February/March 2015, running up a bankroll from a $100 deposit. Starting at the $1 level and briefly playing the $30 level. They were very easy back then, full of fish and players making basic mistakes, you didn't need to study hard to beat them.

I definitely felt them getting tougher though, and I heard rumours that Pokerstars were going to change their rakeback, so I stopped playing them and cashed out.

The $3 level is literally 10 times tougher than the $15 level was in early 2015. About 80% of the opponents I ran into at the $3 level over the last few days were from Russia/Ukraine/Belarus. Maybe 5% max were from Western countries (Germany, Canada, UK, Scandinavia), with the remainder coming from countries like Latvia, Estonia, Brazil, China. It was noticeable how the players from Western countries played worse. $3 to them is nothing. $3 to an Eastern European means everything. When I hit 4x or 6x multipliers and got heads up with a Russian, it was like drawing blood from a stone trying to win the game. It would last ages. I swear Eastern European countries bring almost no fish to the game and, like you say, a lot of cheaters and colluders are from those regions (not all, but a lot of them).


Cliffs: Spins are beatable, but far tougher than a few years ago and you actually have to be decent to win even at the lowest levels (or use illegal software/charts/bots, hopefully whoever does that gets eternally banned from Stars, their balance confiscated and made to pay compensation).

Actually i find some stuff in Party poker a bit strange but i have also not enough evidence , in some levels u play always with regs but never with the same regs
and most come from Poland , this seems REALLY strange

Actually im going to prepare an exposition and send an email to PP , if anyone has more info pm me . PP must be active in monitoring this and must be held accountable

I heard from a friend that nowadays there is a tool to see which people is sitting down on the spins tables before you registering. Like table selection.

I knew a couple of years ago that tool existed and they did ban it. Do we have another similar for 2018?

Did anyone else find it suspicious when Stars incorporated random selection of the number of players at the table into the design of Spin Max?

To me, it looked like a way of making hypothetical Spin regs' queues less efficient*, though I've had no evidence of them ever since SpinWiz was banned.

* As opposed to a fixed table size of 5, which would allow 2 queued regs to safely sit into the same game without making it too tough.

Thanks @gdaviezz for ur answer!

Could you or someone else open a little bit more.
Would be 1000-2000 spin&go`s per month enough for them? or how they made those contracts ? Or is it 20 000 per contract ?

I have checked 3-4 stables and their are all so freakin mysterious, no information at all...

Many thanks again for answer(s)!

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a...nformation.asp

1/2k games is enough for most stables i think, but i think contracts are usually pretty long so around the 20k mark

anymore news on the spin4play drama? what about kurza vs smartspin? we need action round here

Just a lot of rumors/unofficial stuff. Maybe someone will tell a full story soon?

on another note i reported somebody i suspected of botting "Flawless432" and he is now banned so dont worry about a thing, detective daviez is on the job

The rumor that he might've had a table selection software could be proven/disproven if someone has the historical data and knows statistics, I remember having the hand histories a year or so ago but even so you'd have to have the lists of regs at exactly that period, their playing times etc

Stars will never give free info that incriminates him because his prop bet was hugely beneficial for them, idk if so many regs / stables would've started if it weren't for him winning. He was like the moneymaker of spins lol

If someone does take the time to gather all the data and proves there's something fishy going on stars will look pretty bad, use that as motivation guys!

@gdaviezz Do u know for a fact that he's banned ? Or just frozen ?

I played him quite a lot and didn't think he's botting tbh

I know for a fact he is frozen yea

i suspected him for a few reasons, he flew up the stakes putting in insane results with good volume(was told this from some russians), he was a $1 MTT grinded 1~ year ago(i was a 2NL cash degen 1.5 years ago so i agree this isnt much proof)
I ran all of his hands through skierDB, couldnt find many mistakes and he made some super unordinary calls that are just crazy, happened to be GTO...

the main thing for me is that his "coach" or backer or whatever he is, is banned on stars for botting he was a known russian botter using names fellony, masssr and some other name i dont remember, so all these things combined pointed to bull**** imo

Felllony and mass[sr](or whatever) are the same guy?

Sometimes I wonder what my true ROI would have been if not for the cheaters

Games would've been softer, but then more regs would've moved up/not moved down, so I don't think it would necessarily be higher.

You are protected from cheating far better on Stars than anywhere else.

no apparently they are connected at the hip tho and i think both banned

in gdaviezz's world only

this is the other "coach" i think

or backer, or whatever he is

you blame people without proof and mislead the others. It's not correct.