Hi guys! Please help to solve a problem.
*Sorry for my English*

Yesterday I playing Spin & Go tournament with a buy-in of $15 and fell a prize of $18,000.
When we were heads-up, the player is offered a deal - $3,000, if I let him win the tournament (I have remained a small stack). I agreed and folded every hand!

Player proposed to continue the dialogue in Skype. He transfer me $500 and said that he would continue to transfer 500$ every day (because it has a limit on transfer p/day)

Yesterday, he did not send the promised 500 and not responding to messages

Can PokerStars demand money from him under this rule?

never do under the table deals with unknowns man...

***** hell why would you do this.. WHYYYY!!!!

Wouldn't trust someone in chat like that, kind of reverse freerolling yourself

I think you got diddled sir, sorry..

Try reporting to stars perhaps?

Gl

I had a similar problem and PokerStars solved it. When we chop money in HU SNG, another player didn't send money. And PokerStars referred to Rule #23, part f. and took money from him.

I don't see the differences in these situations...

I have already written in a support.
Waiting for an answer. Decided to hear your opinion on the forum

I advise you to write to PS support giving ID of the tournament. They will review chat records to see if there was clear agreement between you and him.

I played on the tablet and unfortunately didn't make screenshot...
I hope they will find the tournament and look chat records.

p.s. I followed the terms of the deal, and folded every hands. I showed him when I fold KK and another strong hands!

i trusted one random canadian guy to sit out at one tourney and he sat out at another one (i knew i was gonna lose first so he was freerolling) but then again he was canadian.

Whats the best way to "sell" variance in spingos?

Just write Stars, curious how they will handle that as basically there are no deals at these things and if there rules are still valid for this, so let us know please.

Why would you fold every hand?

If I wanted a deal that bad I would at least ask to go all in every hand. At least this way you have a fair chance of winning the tournament yourself, and only open yourself up to a small freeroll.

By folding every hand you give up even more equity should villain go back on his word.

Thanks. Do I understand this correctly -- you have ~120k in EV chip winnings over ~2k games?

Yah. I posted a graph on page 1 at 700 games

Easy to talk
For me it's a huge money and it was hard to make the right decision during the game.
Now I understand that it was a mistake...

Ok. When they answered, I will write here a copy of the message

Sad too see the greed of the other player imo, yet again I hope you get it sorted out!

Under that graph you said you were playing the $50 at Full Tilt? Isn't the structure of that different from stars.com? You are doing very well in ROI terms in the short run but it doesn't change a lot of the arguments against the current format. How much are you actually winning because in your earlier post you said you were down 20 buy-ins even with the 12% ROI? This is what a lot of us are arguing against, that it is a game where the variance makes it so that you could be a winner but you will only realize it after being able to hit the top jackpots and that could take a long time.

Exactly. The rake is too damn high. Deal button please for top tier payout structures. (I realize this has been addressed several times)

yeah ftp, I wasn't aware that stars format is different, if its a worse format that is pretty bad.

I'm currently up a tiny bit, you're right about the variance, but the new fish it draws in is more than worth it for a whole lot more roi. If you really can't handle the variance you either shouldn't play poker or get insured at the cost of a couple %

Even when you lose you win in these. Just lost half my buy in in a 6x first hand, then had the fish who won the chips ask for an even chop and actually get excited that we agreed. Thanks to dopey for being a good sport as the third guy

Stars format has no deals right now and the payout structure is different. You are up a tiny bit yet are crushing the games in terms of ROI. You are making deals at 6x payouts which is great for you given you already lost half your buy-in but when players not even hitting the top payouts want to make deals then you aren't really playing poker anymore and are just spinning to hit and deal. I get that the game is fun but it could retain its fun aspect while at the same time bringing about changes that deal with the issues.

I don't understand all of the people who say "man up" or something similar about variance. Telling people that they should man up to potentially not making any money for a potentially long time even though they might potentially have higher ROI's in this game just seems weird. I think the only people that say those things are not really looking at the long run and understanding what that means. Those higher ROI's are also due to how new the game type is and are not necessarily indicative of anything long-term. Everyone so excited about their high ROI's will simmer down once it has been months and their winnings are not aligned with their ROI's or if they hit a jackpot and don't win and are running thousands below expected. We are all just arguing that the variance in this game type falls under an extreme category and is not reasonable.

Wrong, ever considered that there are people that do understand what it means and think it is a good thing?

If it is too extreme for you then that is fine. Just don't play spin and go.

Thank you, Mr. Authority. What are you even providing to this discussion? Deal making is a clear issue in these games for everyone involved including recreational players if you bothered to look at the evidence. I believe that once the shiny new car smell wears off of these games that there will also be plenty of recreational players who would be happier with a game where they can actually hit the top payouts. I am arguing for compromises that solve current game issues and you are just on here saying "go away and don't play the games because I love them so much but I am not self-interested and only you are so go away".

I just don't even...sigh...

I didn't claim to be an authority on anything (the only person doing that is you) nor did I even mention deal making at all. Read the post

over 21k posts and still don't realize nobody in this thread cares about a 'cool story bro' anacdote.

There are people on here posting to provide solutions to the current problems these games face. I am not going around telling people that they are flat out wrong. I am trying to discuss potential problems and solutions to those problems. You are on here telling everyone to suck it up and just play something else and are not adding anything relevant to the discussion. You want everyone to ignore the potential problems of this game type just because it is perfect for YOU. It is great for you that you think these games are perfect the way they are but others that see potential problems would like to discuss potential solutions.