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Old 12-14-2017, 01:04 PM   #6426
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

It says "Tournament Summaries: 0", which isn't really a surprise since Stars doesn't send those for a HH request, but worth drawing attention to.

Make sure summaries are enabled in PS options, and PT4 is set to import them. 99% of issues with incorrect results are due to not importing tournament summaries and PT4 having to basically guess what happened.

LeaksSuck - there is a built in method to get HH sent but it only gives 200 hands max, so you need to click it very frequently (or quickly after an issue). I do agree it would be nice if this number was made significantly larger.

Same interface can request any missing summary files be sent to you also, which is useful.
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Old 12-14-2017, 02:34 PM   #6427
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

I found the solution. I had an alpha version for ipoker HHs and PT4 didn't upgrade the sofware to the v4.15 automatically
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:16 PM   #6428
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Hi Guys

I always see in normal spin n go's Cev results.. does that also fits for spin n go Max?

And i use HM2, can i find that stat there also? Thx
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:01 PM   #6429
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

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LeaksSuck - there is a built in method to get HH sent but it only gives 200 hands max, so you need to click it very frequently (or quickly after an issue). I do agree it would be nice if this number was made significantly larger.
Yeah I know but this feature is pretty useless for everyone who srsly grinds, cause a single short session already strikes that border. And ppl forget to click, are convenient etc. - Same feature as for audits could save Stars lots of work and make customers happier.
I mean those hand histories are txt format thus pretty small and while I am not completely sure about it, I guess it should not be hard to technically implement it. (At least I expect a corporation that spends 4.5bn on a platform to be capable of supplying that service if they want to).

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Old 12-14-2017, 05:15 PM   #6430
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

I think it's:

No, Spin Max will be a completely different stat, 3 players / 1500 chips are hard-coded in to the formula and doing that dynamically while probably possible is also probably a pain.

And No, custom stats are for PT4. Don't think HM2 has any such functionality.
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Old 12-14-2017, 09:23 PM   #6431
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Spin go , Completely different algoritm which ps have rigged... it's real Rigged...

Really Algoritm have been written %80 Bad Beat
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Old 12-15-2017, 09:58 AM   #6432
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

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They should finally introduce a simple formular to request hand histories like for the audits. It's annoying that this is done manually and sometimes takes days while you can have an audit within 5 minutes with self-defined date ranges and everything works fine. Seems like a lot of unncessary work and dissatisfied customers for - hmm, hard to see a pro in the current way tbh.
Perhaps they just don't want to lift a finger to improve the functioning of variance reduction pools - that would mostly benefit winning regs and is thus a change that Stars would want the least.

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I always see in normal spin n go's Cev results.. does that also fits for spin n go Max?
No, it doesn't - 2nd places also have to be taken into account somehow for the tourneys that paid for 2 places.

I bet that no one has reached perfection at the estimation of Spin & Go Max ROI EV yet. It's not so straightforward. I suspect that I'll have to start querying the DB directly via pgAdmin at some point instead of limiting myself to the less flexible custom stat tool built into PT4.

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Old 12-15-2017, 12:42 PM   #6433
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Spin go , Completely different algoritm which ps have rigged... it's real Rigged...

Really Algoritm have been written %80 Bad Beat
Is it real or is it rigged?
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Old 12-15-2017, 01:05 PM   #6434
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Is it useful to "rig" a distribution of which the exact details are unknown to the customer anyway?

From my limited perspective it's sufficient to design it in a way that makes it impossible to beat the rake, no need to take the risk of doing sth illegal when you can just offer a perfectly legal game that is at least under strong suspicion of being a casino game labeled poker
(With the goal in mind to make in unattractive for net withdrawers obv)
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:49 AM   #6435
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Pretty weak spin and go promos from stars this christmas.
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Old 12-20-2017, 03:43 PM   #6436
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and are you surprise? After all the changes in their reward programs in general im not surprise at all.
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Old 12-23-2017, 12:13 AM   #6437
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So due to the promotions I gave a shot at Spin and Gos and I am hooked. That's the good news. The bad news is that I suck and it's frustrating to me no end. After 12,000 hands and I cannot even get an all in adjusted BB/100 with a positive number. I want to scream.

What makes it so frustrating is that I should have a better handle of this. I have been playing tournaments for almost 10 years now and although there are still areas I need to work on and improve on, I feel i have a got a decent handle on this.

On top of this, I encounter donkeys who do plays I have forgotten that they were being made in 2017. My God. Just today, I have encountered more donk bets than over the past 5 years. People donk donk donk, it's unbelievable.

last but not least, I don't think I ve seen many regs and if I have it's tough to tell them apart from their VPIP/PFR stats like in MTTs. Well, I ve seen some semicompetent ones, but when I check sharkscope, most of them are losing.

FWIW, I have been playing the $15 ones. What's a good BB/100 to shoot for? at this point I am not interested in the money; I am just doing it for the practice in shorthanded situations. Also, if at some point in the distant future manage to become a winning player at this format, how many games should I expect to play in order to see me win some money?

Thanks
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:23 AM   #6438
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

People generally look at chipEV/game rather than BB/100 in these. If looking at $/won, make sure you're using a PT4 custom SpinEV stat rather than looking at standard PT4 My C Net Adjusted - it's useless really since it takes prize pool in to account. Both can be found in this thread many times. If you're on HM2 I think chipEV/game is your only viable stat, but I am not familiar with it really.
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:58 AM   #6439
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Thanks. ChipEV/game can be done by hand I assume and I downloaded the custom PT4 stat, cool. As I see it, I am doing 6chips/game over 12000 hands or 700 tourneys or so. Is this enough of a sample to be predictive or do I need more hands?
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Old 12-23-2017, 02:02 AM   #6440
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

You should probably double or triple your sample to start getting some real ideas, but as a start that's not particularly promising (which is fine, given they're your first 700 spins and you lack shallow experience). You should be targeting at least 55 or 60 c/g at 15 spins, with about 1/3 of that coming 3 handed and 2/3 coming hu. Good luck.
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Old 12-23-2017, 03:31 AM   #6441
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Thanks. It's not the shallow stacks I have a problem with. In fact, I ve noticed that the vast majority of play happens with 10BB+ stacks outside push fold territory, where resteal is more of an issue and stackoff ranges are somewhat tighter. That makes BB play a bit tougher than when you are let's say 9BB deep.

I also have more of a problem with the wider ranges and the different way people play different spots. I find that tournament play has a different pattern even in spots that are quite similar. People here can be more sticky and also bluff more, but in random spots where it doesn't make sense to bluff. I also keep getting coolered in ways that I haven't experienced since 2011; that of course is a mark of a soft field. Have I mentioned the donk bets. Donk, donk, donk, donk. Random aggression with lol hands, clicking buttons etc.

It also took me a while to realize that without antes pushing ranges become a tad tighter.

I think I can get my cev up to 20-25 relatively easily, but I also need to study HU.

Thanks again!
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Old 12-26-2017, 11:43 AM   #6442
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Thanks. It's not the shallow stacks I have a problem with. In fact, I ve noticed that the vast majority of play happens with 10BB+ stacks outside push fold territory, where resteal is more of an issue and stackoff ranges are somewhat tighter. That makes BB play a bit tougher than when you are let's say 9BB deep.

I also have more of a problem with the wider ranges and the different way people play different spots. I find that tournament play has a different pattern even in spots that are quite similar. People here can be more sticky and also bluff more, but in random spots where it doesn't make sense to bluff. I also keep getting coolered in ways that I haven't experienced since 2011; that of course is a mark of a soft field. Have I mentioned the donk bets. Donk, donk, donk, donk. Random aggression with lol hands, clicking buttons etc.

It also took me a while to realize that without antes pushing ranges become a tad tighter.

I think I can get my cev up to 20-25 relatively easily, but I also need to study HU.

Thanks again!
Yea think there are more "feel" based players in spins as the variety of skill levels is so vast. In tournaments you can identify the fish fairly quickly and the whole table adapts to them..
Discipline is the main requirement for spins imo. With no antes you can't be splashing around as much preflop! Still can't understand some of the bluff being done tho!
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:13 AM   #6443
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

does anyone have any information on spins for pokerstars.it ?

is the information on https://www.pokerstars.it/en/spin-and-go/ accurate ?

any experience with how much action the 25s/50s/100s get ?

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