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Old Today, 04:48 AM   #6351
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...For example, imo one of the biggest reasons that they didn't introduce open face chinese poker (which was the big thing a few years ago) was that it's easily solvable.
I'm somewhat sceptical of that explanation, 'cause short-handed, small-stacked SNGs were solved a decade ago, but then Spin & Go tournaments were introduced.
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Old Today, 05:22 AM   #6352
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A decade ago? push/fold only - but that's not the game.
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Old Today, 06:14 AM   #6353
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I change my daily routine and start playing different time but playing against same players
Some guys on 60s never sleep?
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I change my daily routine and start playing different time but playing against same players
Some guys on 60s never sleep?
Computers don't need sleep.
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Old Today, 07:47 AM   #6355
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I'm somewhat sceptical of that explanation, 'cause short-handed, small-stacked SNGs were solved a decade ago, but then Spin & Go tournaments were introduced.
They weren't solved fwiw. Even the HU portion of it wasn't solved until 2015/2016 unless you are talking about satelites where there no HU.

Spin and goes are not solved either lol, and it's an infinitely more complex game than open face chinese or something like limit holdem.
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Old Today, 08:18 AM   #6356
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Maybe I wasn't sufficiently specific with my words, so here's a more limited claim: The SNGPT software was released in the mid 2000s, and it taught people how to play end-game STTs in an unexploitable fashion. The STT forum here on 2p2 used that program to build a pretty decent understanding of how to use Nash equillibirum strategies in short-handed, short-stacked games very quickly.

I guess that this might not be a "solved" game to the minds of others, but if there's a meaningful difference, it's beyond my limited nuance to tell much of a difference.


Even if what I write in this post in the two paragraphs above is wrong, and my example of STTs doesn't really relate in the eyes of some, here's my underlying point: Not offering Chinese Poker because you're scared of bots playing it perfectly doesn't make any sense to me. I say this as someone who formerly managed online poker bot detection teams, and as someone who has some credible understanding of the background business of running an online poker site.

There are many reasons for an existing online poker site to not offer Chinese poker, such as:
-cost of development being too high
-number of newly acquired players being too small
-any growth in play only cannibalises existing play

I am just saying that being afraid of bots is a ****ty reason to not offer Open Face Chinese Poker. If you've had an online poker site tell you that they don't offer Chinese Poker because of the hypothetical fear of bots, I would encourage you to challenge their claims, because this makes no sense to me.
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OK thanks for your insight.

Tbh I don't know either why they didn't offer it, and that was my guess.
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Josem, are you the guy who worked at PokerStars before?
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