Hello,
i am looking to join Spin study group $15/$30 stakes. I am playing $15 myself.
Thank you

oh **** https://www.pokernews.com/news/2017/...-max-28704.htm

ya.. wtf... logged in today and so this.. spin and go max....

https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/2...x-167477.shtml

Ahahahaha, i can't believe it... Pokerstars found a way to make it even more random. Auto all-ins after some time

And in addition to that rake is increased to 9% at the smallest levels

Thanks to Baard for saving my poker career with Spin & Go Max

I thought this kind of SNGs with a variable number of paid places would never appear at Stars and would remain unique to 888 (BLAST) and WPN (SNG 2.0), but such a deposit-inducing invention was too good to be exclusive to non-Stars sites for long.

Sorry, the grinders of traditional Spin & Gos, most of your former fish will now belong to me.

Man that post makes me want to grind a **** ton of Spin and Go Max just to bust your bankroll

Me reading about new online poker variants

oh my

I'll counter this by playing at a random BI level so that you catch me less often.

Besides, I do suspect that you'll switch to Max anyway, especially if the $30 level is added. Your SNG background and general willingness to study the math hard are convincing me about this

Well hello spin&go ICM

I'm sorry... what?

I meant the study of optimal ranges, of course... or how did you interpret the sentence?

Is there ICM? Aren't these still WTA prizepool?

Found this old photo of me working on my ranges

I did only glance, but I believe I'm reading this correctly. Still a lot of WTA but also some paying multiple positions.

www.pokerstars.com/poker/spin-and-go-max/payouts/


Haven't had time to think about this yet -- with only the 1st-place prize varying in post game, is ICM calculated based on average 1st-place or is there some reason to weight it differently?

Played a 5-handed one, which paid 1st and 2nd

Ah yes, def ICM considerations then - don't think they mentioned anything other than "the winner" on the main page.

My initial thought is yes, average 1st-place.

edit: there's also the "cash-out" value, which is probably worse than average? but an obvious snap if it's better... who knows.

Hadn't noticed the "cash-out" option. Yeah, worse than average. I wonder where the amount of that (optional) rake is disclosed.

Which option can I select for higher rake?

So cliffs - cооn is excited for a format that people are allin 8 handed for a chance to double their BI, but only if they win the allin, roll 2 dices and get 6x6, and stop a roulette at 0. Back in the day we played DoNs for that, but I can see the appeal.

Play the $1s and "cash out" at every opportunity for maximum fun!

When all else fails, just keep playing stars and higher rake will take care of itself.

Yes, exactly.

EV is EV, no matter how many times and in which ways the dice are rolled, and it's 91-93% of the BI, though the 1st place payouts have to be small most of the time to enable a high frequency of nonzero 2nd place payouts.

Spin Max is a high-variance game, but that's what the poker economy needs imo - to persuade people from the street to deposit 'just $7' to play a game that is more like a $15 STT in terms of standard deviation (if we exclude the top jackpots and the medium-sized ones with the cashout option from consideration) and, hopefully, profit, considering that normal $15 STTs would die out sooner or later anyway because of the abundance of regs and the advances in GTO calculation.

Sure, let's live in a fantasy world where STTs died because of the 'abundance of regs' and 'advances in GTO calculation'

If STTs were less boring than spins, they wouldn't have died. Poker sites don't care about regs' convenience, they care about recs getting enough entertainment for the rake paid. The more the fun, the bigger price can be charged for it while still keeping the recs loyal. Also, recs like variety and need new game formats to be introduced often enough.