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05-27-2017 , 06:58 AM
How can I let PT4 show EV ITM and ChipEV/game?
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05-27-2017 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RLGallday
How can I let PT4 show EV ITM and ChipEV/game?
Nvm already got it
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05-28-2017 , 04:21 PM
acbarone gratz on 200x win. Teach us your ways
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05-28-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by margenov
acbarone gratz on 200x win. Teach us your ways
Put in volume. Pray.
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05-28-2017 , 09:55 PM
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Has anyone made over 1k sample on 15s PLO spins?
Do u have omaha spins on ps.bg?
I dont have it. I run ps build 15664.

Congrats acbarone on the score. I read that thread from time to time to know what is happening with spins.

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Put in volume. Pray.
Lol that big time
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05-30-2017 , 11:07 AM
could anyone explain to me/direct me to a way I can create a spinEV$+RB stat for PT4? i've tried before and i've been unable to make it work Thanks!
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05-30-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Do u have omaha spins on ps.bg?
I dont have it. I run ps build 15664.
Yeah, we've had it for like 1 month now.
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05-30-2017 , 06:09 PM
anybody mind sharing some tips on how to analyze pop tendancies? im sat here looking at my PT4 pop report and getting nowhere, pretty hard to find spots people are unbalanced in if you dont know the correct frequencies
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05-30-2017 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gdaviez
anybody mind sharing some tips on how to analyze pop tendancies? im sat here looking at my PT4 pop report and getting nowhere, pretty hard to find spots people are unbalanced in if you dont know the correct frequencies
Interested in this as well.
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05-30-2017 , 11:13 PM
Do we know how big of a reduction this new reward system is to rb yet?
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05-31-2017 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by royalhd
Interested in this as well.
Well, if you are a good winning player and have a sufficient sample size, take your stats and use them as a base line. Look at where pop tendencies differ in a significant way and think about whether it's you or them who's wrong.

If you are not a solid winning player, either look whether you have enough samplesize on winning players and group them together - or ask a good winning reg whether you can have his stats.

There's really no magic to it.


As for the chest RB question - no, but it's gonna be significant. Plus, they "personalize" your RB, so it's basically gonna be a secret what the avg. RB is.

It's a borderline scam in my book, poker should be as transparent as poker in these situations.
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05-31-2017 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gdaviez
anybody mind sharing some tips on how to analyze pop tendancies? im sat here looking at my PT4 pop report and getting nowhere, pretty hard to find spots people are unbalanced in if you dont know the correct frequencies
easiest thing to do is to look for fold vs bets %, because you dont have to see their hand and will have good samples on those spots.
So for example check how much people fold versus river bets when flop and turn goes check/check(of course check it for one specific spot, like minraised pots hu), if you see there something like 55% so that would mean you can autobet all your air and if you are checking down your air in BB you are passing profitable bluffing spots and losing ev
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05-31-2017 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by none888
easiest thing to do is to look for fold vs bets %, because you dont have to see their hand and will have good samples on those spots.
So for example check how much people fold versus river bets when flop and turn goes check/check(of course check it for one specific spot, like minraised pots hu), if you see there something like 55% so that would mean you can autobet all your air and if you are checking down your air in BB you are passing profitable bluffing spots and losing ev
If you group every opponent as one alias ("pop tendency"), you will have enough samplesize on all the stats that you'd have enough samplesize on yourself.
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05-31-2017 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by acbarone
Put in volume. Pray.


to which god?
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05-31-2017 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by none888
easiest thing to do is to look for fold vs bets %, because you dont have to see their hand and will have good samples on those spots.
This is true and a good idea.

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So for example check how much people fold versus river bets when flop and turn goes check/check(of course check it for one specific spot, like minraised pots hu), if you see there something like 55% so that would mean you can autobet all your air and if you are checking down your air in BB you are passing profitable bluffing spots and losing ev
This is wrong advice. Boards matter.
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05-31-2017 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
This is true and a good idea.



This is wrong advice. Boards matter.
obviusly, Im talking in general, dont do it on bad boards. Just an example.
Also you can specify board textures in PT, so we can check different boards
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05-31-2017 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun
If you group every opponent as one alias ("pop tendency"), you will have enough samplesize on all the stats that you'd have enough samplesize on yourself.
not really, if for example you want to study delay cbet and barrel rivers in limp pots ranges on different boards, you need to have very big sample, because you will see their hand only when you call. And plain stat doesnt mean anything, like someone can delay cbet 20%, so what does it tell you? You need to take a look at their range to get any idea about what kind of range they are delay cbetting, mby its so air heavy you can call really wide or mby its pure value and you should play very tight
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05-31-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun
Well, if you are a good winning player and have a sufficient sample size, take your stats and use them as a base line. Look at where pop tendencies differ in a significant way and think about whether it's you or them who's wrong.

If you are not a solid winning player, either look whether you have enough samplesize on winning players and group them together - or ask a good winning reg whether you can have his stats.

There's really no magic to it.


As for the chest RB question - no, but it's gonna be significant. Plus, they "personalize" your RB, so it's basically gonna be a secret what the avg. RB is.

It's a borderline scam in my book, poker should be as transparent as poker in these situations.
Thanks for the reply. Which stats would you say are the most important to single out first?

And any regs winning at $7 or above willing to share their stats with a beginning player?
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05-31-2017 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by none888
easiest thing to do is to look for fold vs bets %, because you dont have to see their hand and will have good samples on those spots.
So for example check how much people fold versus river bets when flop and turn goes check/check(of course check it for one specific spot, like minraised pots hu), if you see there something like 55% so that would mean you can autobet all your air and if you are checking down your air in BB you are passing profitable bluffing spots and losing ev
Nice one Will look this one up later today. Would it be possible and/or make sense to filter on different boardstructures? Edit: see you've already answered this one.

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06-01-2017 , 10:52 AM
So ... I don't think I'm gonna play on Stars much longer for obvious reasons. My question is, are there options beyond these that I have found:

Expresso @Winamax - 7% rake at all levels, I guess lowstakes that's fine. Anyone know what traffic is like?

Twister @iPoker - only good with a really good RB deal I assume. Traffic? What %RB can you get nowadays?

Hero @Party - probably the best option with their new RB deal. I don't really like the random KO though.

888 Blast - Rake waay too high with almost no RB (afaik, did that change?). Maybe 30s are fine? The structure is ... questionable though.

Did I miss any?
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06-01-2017 , 03:09 PM
Microgaming has their own version of Spin&gos as well. Seemed beatable at the lower limits. One nice thing is that when a top prize hits, it is awarded 50/30/20.
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06-01-2017 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun
So ... I don't think I'm gonna play on Stars much longer for obvious reasons. My question is, are there options beyond these that I have found:

Expresso @Winamax - 7% rake at all levels, I guess lowstakes that's fine. Anyone know what traffic is like?

Twister @iPoker - only good with a really good RB deal I assume. Traffic? What %RB can you get nowadays?

Hero @Party - probably the best option with their new RB deal. I don't really like the random KO though.

888 Blast - Rake waay too high with almost no RB (afaik, did that change?). Maybe 30s are fine? The structure is ... questionable though.

Did I miss any?
Yea dislike the knockout bounty on partypoker myself as well. Like if you're going to do a huge bounty shouldn't there be antes as well? Would make for a better structure.
Winamax would be my pick from them based on softness but their support can be hit and miss.
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06-01-2017 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by the4bettingmonk
Yea dislike the knockout bounty on partypoker myself as well. Like if you're going to do a huge bounty shouldn't there be antes as well? Would make for a better structure.
Winamax would be my pick from them based on softness but their support can be hit and miss.
tons of bots on winamax and support not doing **** about it indeed ipoker is my pick
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06-01-2017 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bosow
tons of bots on winamax and support not doing **** about it indeed ipoker is my pick
I mean, I don't care playing against losing bots, rather to the contrary. Are they that good at Spins?

I think I'll start with Party (they need to be rewarded for their latest decisions!!) and go from there.
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06-02-2017 , 07:42 AM
Does the smaller ones run 24/7 at mpn and ipoker?
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