** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread ** - Page 219 - Heads Up SNG and Spin and Gos -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

I also find the volume requirements a bit high. It's the main stumbling block for me when considering getting backed. There is plenty of money to be made in spins without factoring in any of the big multipliers.

It's not the equity from big multis, it's the equity from coaching over time. If contracts were shorter, people would nearly be done by the time they got to a decent level.

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01-22-2017 , 11:32 PM

#5453

steamroll3r1

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 20

any opinions for CFP deal playing spins?

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01-23-2017 , 06:46 AM

#5454

sheeprustler

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,292

Has the rake at the 30s been 6% for long or is it a recent increase? I thought that it was 5% above the 15 level.

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01-23-2017 , 07:27 AM

#5455

xPISCIVOROUSx

adept

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 752

$0.25/$1/$3 is 8%
$7 is 7%
$15/$30 is 6%
$60/$10 is 5%

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01-23-2017 , 09:49 AM

#5456

iAudrius

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 60

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Originally Posted by sheeprustler

Has the rake at the 30s been 6% for long or is it a recent increase? I thought that it was 5% above the 15 level.

It incresed in March 2016.

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01-23-2017 , 12:13 PM

#5457

SelfishGhost

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 107

Here in Italy the rake for 100€ spins is 7%. What the ****?
How do I calculate what winrate/cEV do I have to attain in order to at least breakeven?

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01-23-2017 , 12:38 PM

#5458

xPISCIVOROUSx

adept

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 752

For a 4% rake you´ll need a 34.72% ITM to BE or 20.80 cEV
For a 5% rake you´ll need a 35.09% ITM to BE or 26.35 cEV
For a 6% rake you´ll need a 35.47% ITM to BE or 32.00 cEV
For a 7% rake you´ll need a 35.85% ITM to BE or 37.75 cEV
For a 8% rake you´ll need a 36.24% ITM to BE or 43.60 cEV

Last edited by xPISCIVOROUSx; 01-23-2017 at 12:45 PM.

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01-23-2017 , 01:11 PM

#5459

Codecci

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Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,716

How do you calculate these?

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01-23-2017 , 02:01 PM

#5460

xPISCIVOROUSx

adept

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 752

Playing with the SwongSim Variance Calculator but there´s a equation around here and we can confirm these numbers, the equation goes...

EV ROI = ((((cEV+500)/1500)*((1-rake%)*buyin))-1)*100%

So lets take the $3 (8% Rake) Spin as an example, it would go $2.76+$0.24...

EV ROI = ((((43.60+500)/1500)*((1-0.08)*3))-1)*100%
EV ROI = (((0.3624)*(2.76))-1)*100%
EV ROI = (1.00-1)*100%
EV ROI = 0%

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01-23-2017 , 02:22 PM

#5461

squire1888

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,683

sick ty for the visuals xPiSC

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01-23-2017 , 02:29 PM

#5462

SelfishGhost

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 107

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Originally Posted by xPISCIVOROUSx

Look at my graph: https://gyazo.com/75a89a4c71344dc6e45798a59b7ee20d
$EV is 240, why?
Is this the right formula? -> buyin-fee (1.82€)* total nr of spins (2064)* ev roi(5.83%)= 219€ ??
Instead I get 240 which is the result of -> total buyin (2€)*total nr of spins(2064)*evroi(5.83%)=240€.

Can someone explain to me why rake is taken into account for $EV?

EDIT: Nvm, I figured it out.

Last edited by SelfishGhost; 01-23-2017 at 02:59 PM.

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01-23-2017 , 02:58 PM

#5463

xPISCIVOROUSx

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Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 752

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Can someone explain to me why rake is taken into account for $EV?

Because your real $ expectation should be the expectation of your real net amount won and that should include rake.

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01-23-2017 , 03:22 PM

#5464

ChicagoRy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,589

What about rakeback, should that also be included? Probably easiest just to lower the rake # in the calculation in that case I suppose. 5% to 4% if you have 20% rb for example.

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01-23-2017 , 03:41 PM

#5465

xPISCIVOROUSx

adept

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 752

I personally dont like to include rakeback on results graphs cuz thats not a meassure of how good im playing just how much volume im putting out and that can vary over time if the site decides to change their VIP Rewards system. But yeah i agree with you that the easiets way is to reduce it from the rake paid.

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01-26-2017 , 05:01 PM

#5466

Max Cut

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Up for some lower variance, anyone?

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Originally Posted by xPISCIVOROUSx

PokerStars annouce some changes yesterday on their blog and among them its the payout structures for Spin&Go they´re reducing the frequency of big multipliers and increasing the frequency of the lower ones, i cant find the new frequency table but here is the blog link...

https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/c...t-164866.shtml

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01-26-2017 , 05:22 PM

#5467

_dave_

_Pooh_Bah_

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,146

Didn't this already happen?

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01-26-2017 , 05:32 PM

#5468

Max Cut

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I didn't read the whole blog post (dated yesterday), so maybe it is talking about the previous changes. That would explain why there's no update in the tables.

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01-26-2017 , 05:34 PM

#5469

xPISCIVOROUSx

adept

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 752

Im trying to find more info besides that blog post but i wasnt able couldnt even find the new multipliers frequency chart

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01-26-2017 , 05:53 PM

#5470

_dave_

_Pooh_Bah_

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,146

OK, when they increased low-mid stakes rake in March they moved two thirds of the top jackpot in to 4x, but there was no change on the 6x. So quite possibly this is a further rebalancing towards the low multis.

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01-28-2017 , 07:47 AM

#5471

bluffmebro

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 2

Do you think that P* will introduce higher Spin&Go's stakes in the future? What is the reason they have not done this already?

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01-28-2017 , 10:36 AM

#5472

xPISCIVOROUSx

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Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 752

they dont wanna mess with the liquidity of the $60s and $100s

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01-30-2017 , 03:08 AM

#5473

FRITTE

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 76

I stopped grinding spins but recently played a few again. Think the rebalanced multipliers are really good for the format, but my sample is obv low. Wonder if those with regular volume have made similar experience?

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