Here's an example.

Low 0-38 (Green) Avarage 38-52 (Default, usually White) and High 52-100 (Red)

Ok, can i use the same colors for LOW/MED/HIGH on all stats?
And how come the spin hud has five colors? Green, light green, white, light red, red?

I've played for a living for almost a decade and recently become obsessed with programming. I can't understand why someone who saw 100k as the reasonable bar would want to jump into either (esp poker) if they didn't love it (or the skillsets just came super easy to them). There has to be some field you could get into that you actually enjoy that pays close to that amount.

Also, when people talk about potential earning in poker you have to imagine that the curve is kinda skewed heavily away from people who are very structured and conditioned to work hard towards their goals.
I think _dave_ was pretty accurate about his post re:

+1, can we use many shades of same color and it will be considered as one?

What kind of remote work offers a better income-to-effort ratio than these two? I can think only of language teaching and translation as candidates.

Hello, i want some help with PT4 chip graph . What stats i must see to i know if i playing good regardless if i had a loose session and how variance affected my game. I am results oriented and if i have a loose session i playing very bad and tilt and i want to change it . I want to see the quality of my play and not the $$$.

Thanks.

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But don't check the EV line after every session - it's rather meaningless for a 30-game sample. Check it every month (2K-4K games) or so.

Or, even better, untick 'SD / Non-SD Winnings', right-click on the graph, select 'Configure' and set the thickness of the green line to 0.



This way you won't know how many chips you've actually won, only the EV.

I take it this shouldn't happen very often at $1 spins?



Also where do I get the standard deviation stat that I need to use in SwongSim for the "EV Chip Mode"?

I guess such a bad monetary run happens between 5% and 10% of the time - I don't dare to open SwongSim now because I'm playing, but you can run a sim 'Text Results Only' yourself for the chip EV of 119 and look what the output says about which % of people had which ROI.

In case you wanted to know a confidence interval for the chip EV stat, its standard deviation per tourney is known to be about 450 for sites with 3-minute blinds and no antes* like Stars, see Max Cut's post. Fwiw, at sites with 2-minute blinds and antes**, it's closer to 350 IME. So the one-sided 90% confidence interval for your chip EV per tourney is '100 chips or higher'***, well done!

* Except Party (4-max) where I expect it to be ~550 though I haven't analysed the data.

** Except 888 (4-max with starting stacks of 1500) where I expect it to be ~1000, also not having analysed.

*** Which means that if your true cEV were less than 100, your observed cEV would be >=119 with probability <10%.

Not everyone wants remote work. Not everyone needs to worry about the income to effort ratio being the absolute highest.
What kind of work offers the same burnout rate that online poker does?

Actually I know people making around 6figures doing jobs I would consider significantly less difficult than playing online poker well enough to consistently make 100k+

If you live in an area so poor that the money you can make from these jobs is many times greater than anything else around you - sure go for it.
If you live in an area that makes you consider less than 100k not really worth it - and you don't enjoy doing it - there's a really good chance you have an opportunity to make at least close to enough money doing something you won't hate doing.

All well put

I should have indeed mentioned that money isn't everything in life and e.g. health is more important. Leatherass9 built his work ethic because he's an addict of poker as a sport, the monetary aspect is actually secondary to him in the game. It's some of his disciples who're putting the dollar on the pedestal.

Example of jobs?

You want a list of jobs where you can earn $100k a year?

Pretty much any professional field once you're at managerial level or above (and a few you don't even need that). Engineer, programmer, doctor, lawyer, teacher, banker, accountant, dentist, vet, architect etc etc.

Then there's also a raft of other jobs that will get you $100k. For example let's say you work in retail and progress to managing a large store. A chef who hones his craft enough to work in Michellin starred places. A hairdresser who cuts the hair of the rich and famous. A fashion designer who can make and sell clothes that are in demand.

In fact, take an industry. Any industry. There's almost certainly someone on the planet making $100k+ from that industry.

They spent 4 years of time and often tens of thousands of dollars to even get to entry level in those fields. Most managers in those fields did additional school (more time, more money).

That's not to say those can't be better choices for some or many people compared to poker.

no doubt that poker compare to many other professions are still easy money with low cost of education.

however you miss some fact. personal development of poker player while doing his job is quiet limited. beside having clue about things like EV (imo very important in life), games theory, basic algebra and statistic (at some level maybe more advanced data mining), poker player do not develop his personality much in field not related to poker, while when attending good uni, having good job in good environment where you interact with many of brillant individuals, all those things give you an advantage over poker player.

just look at personality of best poker players and personality of very successful businessmans, politicians, doctors, philosophers etc. poker players for me in most case, they are even not close to others. of course, is subjective opinion and it's even not confirmed by empiric experience. just what I want to say, that poker is just choice of life, often easy one. the life when quiet inteligent person , choose on of the most easy path to get relatively quick rewards while putting less afford possible. so, seems logic yeh? but when it coming back to expected value of long term, I doubt is most +EV decision for some inteligent individuel which want to have something more then money in life.

yet, still I think, playing poker for a living in some period of time can be very reasonable choice, but would rather considering it like some phase of life which we done and we close one day for moving forward.

all of this it's my very subjective opinion which I think is right. but, is very individual choice. after all, for sure there are some people on this world which are just in FU**ING CRAZY LOVE FOR POKER

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Originally Posted by coon74

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But don't check the EV line after every session - it's rather meaningless for a 30-game sample. Check it every month (2K-4K games) or so.

Or, even better, untick 'SD / Non-SD Winnings', right-click on the graph, select 'Configure' and set the thickness of the green line to 0.



This way you won't know how many chips you've actually won, only the EV.

Thanks for the answer.
How many chipEv/tourney i must won for i know if i play good? Can you explain me please?
Thank you

I don't see the point you're trying to make. The question wasn't what jobs can you start today and instantly make 100k+. Of course you're going to have to spend time climbing up. It's not like the people making >100k in poker just started making anywhere near that amount. A lot of them spent a few years practicing before they even decided to go pro. And of course there is a $ev cost associated with spending years playing poker.

I'm not against playing poker for a living or trying to discourage anyone. If you love the game and enjoy working from home / the freedom it offers its still a viable income right now. Go for it. I still enjoy it (most days).
It's just very likely to keep declining. So if you're just looking to make some money and don't really care about the game there are so many other ways to get yourself in a position to make ~100k (I don't actually many people would notice the difference in utility between around 75-100k) and actually have your salary likely increase over time.

So my question is how many years or months do u expect for spins before get reg infected ?

Please don't compare yourself with others. Instead, compare yourself with the past version of yourself

As long as your chipEV is bigger than 35, you're making profit, which means that you have as much time as you need to gradually improve.

Stars' spins will last for at least 3 months because Stars are not yet ready to deploy an innovative poker variant.

So we're just ballparking it? There isn't some stat in pt4 that gives the number exactly?

I was able to do this with a custom stat in older versions of PT4, but newer versions warn that the use of such a stat (that squares chip EVs from each hand and adds them up) would result in a cache overflow so I wouldn't enterprise it. I don't think possible to make a more convenient 'standard deviation' type of stat/summary because PT4's code and DB structure doesn't allow to use some per-tourney stats in hand reports and some per-hand stats in tourney ones.

Max Cut knows how to calculate the std dev by exporting an all-hands report into .csv and then processing it with smth like Excel, as seen in his post I mentioned above. Ask him.

But ballparking isn't bad here as the precision of a such stat is rather low anyway. It's a bit lower for those players who like to go all-in more often than an average reg, and a bit higher for those who're limping/flatting and postflop play addicts, but I guess the difference is relatively small.

And as I wrote above, your night sleep shouldn't be affected by whether you win 60 or 100 chips per tourney anyway. It suffices for happiness that you're some kind of a longterm winner, period.

3months? come on man u are so pessimist

This follow-up post explains the roundabout way I came up with a number.

forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=49343609&postcount=217
Not sure precisely what you are after with regards to using cEV mode in SwongSim, but keep in mind the caveat (warning in red letters when using it).

Thanks for the responses. I guess it really doesn't matter variance is so insane in spins 10chips here or there in cev wouldn't make that much difference in the short term.

Yeah, you'll likely move up sooner than the cEV 'converges' properly.

Yes, an estimate of 3.50 months is closer to the truth.

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment indeed because the new variant (I mean a game 'targeting the growing skilled gaming community', not the cancelled Duel) is likely to be non-jackpot and so there will be little crossover of fish from spins to it.