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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
If you look around you can find this exact same quote back 9 years ago when I first was turned onto online poker.
Back in 2007, they'd say "the easy days of the moneymaker boom are over, everyone is solid now."
In hindsight, there was a cash game boom that likely eclipsed the early days by a good margin (this was from say 2008-2011), and specific games boomed at different times (husngs 2010-2013 were amazing, and 2014-2016 are better than pre 2010).
Zoom, spins, MTTs, PLO, there's a lot of money to be made in various games (and on various poker rooms, that's a factor as well). The good money isn't always super obvious, nor is it easy if you don't work hard for it, but it's always been there in several places at an given time.
I'm not inclined to agree.
People are posting brag graphs if they make $100k a year these days. You're considered a pretty damned solid player if you can make $50k a year online.
Before, there was plenty with 400k, 500k a year graphs (i.e. major life changing money, rather than just 'ho hum, I make a decent middle class type level salary'). Now those figures are reserved for literally a handful of nosebleed cash game crushers. And no one earns those figures in spins or HUSNG's. Online poker contracts every year. That means every year the pie is smaller, and it's been going that way for a long time now.
You say HUSNG's are better now than pre-2010. Maybe you're right - I wasn't around back then so have no knowledge. But if that's true, that only goes to show how low the traffic must have been for that particular game niche, not the 'difficulty' of the games when you got action. I mean what could be worse than today, with ****ing reg cartels at every stake you can make decent money, forcing you to play a legion of regs before you can sit a fish? That's literally the nut low for an unestablished player trying to make money from HUSNGs.
Spins are a little bit better thanks to no reg cartel, but the rake is much higher, variance is high, and certainly at 15s+ spins have got a lot more difficult than when they first came out. The structure is such that 2 reg games are unbeatable after rake, and one reg games are only beatable for a small amount - so the entire system relies on having a lot of fish to feed on. If those fish numbers drop a bit - and they will - then spins will cease to be beatable for any reasonable money as there's little edge that can be had against a player who actually has a clue in a hyper structure with 5-7% rake.