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Old 09-29-2014, 05:15 PM   #26
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

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Arent you worried that fish will have even more opportunity to scream RIGGED since jackpots are relatively rare and there is no way of knowing if there are distributed actually how you state it?
Related to this, what methods, if any do we have available for us to independently verify the payout distributions? I haven't thought deeply about it but it seems, unlike card distribution, this verification would require a sample size unachievable by any single player. In fact, several of the disincentives present in deck rigging are not present in lottery-payout rigging and the direct benefit to the site is more obvious.

I think PokerStars would never attempt anything like rigging the payout distribution. Only pointing out that the riggies will have a somewhat bolstered position and it would be nice to have a solid defense.
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Old 09-29-2014, 05:21 PM   #27
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

To clarify on the limit of the number of concurrent tables: I've found by trial and error that the only restriction is that you can't be registered at more than at 5 Spin & Gos of the same stake at a time; but once one of them has started (which, btw, happens instantly upon registration at any stake at this peak hour - how fast do the games gather!), you can register in additional ones, so it's possible to be playing at as many tables of the same stake at once as you're comfortable with. (I yet have to get comfortable with 6-tabling 3-handed, lol.) So in fact there's hardly any limit, apart from the player's reaction speed.

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Anyone have problem when pt4 just stops importing hands while you play spin$go?
I have no issues with v. 4.11.11 (the latest one) and the PS7 client (though I think it should work on PS6 too), even the HUD works on .com , apparently because the HH format is the same as the .es one, which has been supported since v. 4.11.10.

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Old 09-29-2014, 05:44 PM   #28
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

PT 4.11.11 with PS6 here (though that shouldn't matter, I think), no issues, everything importing fine.
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Old 09-29-2014, 06:17 PM   #29
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do you guys also manage to keep hud layout locket also?
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Old 09-29-2014, 06:21 PM   #30
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Would PokerStars have the Spin and go's available in New Jersey when/if Pokerstars comes back to NJ? I think this is a great concept that rec players would love.
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Old 09-29-2014, 08:49 PM   #31
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think we need the deal option like what we had on full tilt
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Old 09-29-2014, 10:54 PM   #32
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

There is already a training site that exclusively videos for these...
Hmmmm people learn quick...

http://spinandgopro.com/
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Old 09-29-2014, 11:19 PM   #33
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

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Ok the rake is not 4% is 4.56%...

Calculating prize distribution for 30$ on 100k games

5*30.000
+ 10*6.000
+ 15*3.000
+ 80*750
+ 1000*300
+ 8000*180
+ 18010*120
+ 72880*60
= 8.589.000$ that is been payed out by pokerstars, while the total buyin payed by players on 100k games is

30$(buyin)*100.000(games)*3(players)
= 9.000.000

Now 9.000.000$-8.589.000$ = 411.000$ is the total amount of rake gained by pokerstars, divided by 100k games we get 4.11 per game. divided by 3 players its 1.37 rake per player and 1.37$/30$ = 4.56%. Same goes for 7s and 15s.
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Old 09-29-2014, 11:19 PM   #34
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

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Ok the rake is not 4% is 4.56%...

Calculating prize distribution for 30$ on 100k games

5*30.000
+ 10*6.000
+ 15*3.000
+ 80*750
+ 1000*300
+ 8000*180
+ 18010*120
+ 72880*60
= 8.589.000$ that is been payed out by pokerstars, while the total buyin payed by players on 100k games is

30$(buyin)*100.000(games)*3(players)
= 9.000.000

Now 9.000.000$-8.589.000$ = 411.000$ is the total amount of rake gained by pokerstars, divided by 100k games we get 4.11 per game. divided by 3 players its 1.37 rake per player and 1.37$/30$ = 4.56%. Same goes for 7s and 15s.
The top 3 tiers also pay 2nd and 3rd place (10% of what 1st place is).

5*36.000
+ 10*7.200
+ 15*3.600
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Old 09-29-2014, 11:21 PM   #35
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The top 3 tiers also pay 2nd and 3rd place (10% of what 1st place is).
Yeah my bad, thanks lol
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Old 09-30-2014, 12:18 AM   #36
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

I agree that a deal button should be added. There is a glitch that prevents noting players (the notes tab never activates) a lot of the time.

Has anyone ran a variance sim on these games?
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Old 09-30-2014, 12:27 AM   #37
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I also cannot take notes on opponents in-game. new game format = new player pool = i got alotttta notes to take. please look into this
You can't take notes from the dropdown menu when you click on an avatar, but you can do it via the Notes tab (having selected the player's nick from the list). So it's a less grave issue than you thought.

What is annoying me is that Spin & Gos don't yet have a 'register in one more' popup after finishing, that other types of SnGs do have. It's a bit tiring to unminimise the lobby (which doesn't happen automatically if there are other open tables) and click 'register' there every time. (It can surely be rectified easily by a hotkey script, but such a popup would also tempt a recreational customer to play more.)

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Old 09-30-2014, 01:23 AM   #38
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Anyone have problem when pt4 just stops importing hands while you play spin$go?
Oh dear, it indeed sometimes happens!

Do you see errors like this in the 'View Import Status' tab of 'Play Poker'?
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 Error: PokerStars: Unable to import hand (#122270644091). Reason: Error: Unable to execute query: Fatal Error; Reason: Error:  (ERROR:  numeric field overflow DETAIL:  A field with precision 14, scale 2 must round to an absolute value less than 10^12. CONTEXT:  PL/pgSQL function "update_tourney_custom_cache" line 8 at FOR over SELECT rows )
It looks like division by zero occurs somewhere, doesn't it?

In any case, send HH and log files to PT4's support like I'm going to do, they should fix it soon, fingers crossed. (If you have no log files, tick 'Enable Logging' in 'Configure'->'Options', restart PT4 and tell it to reimport the files to reproduce the bug.)

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Old 09-30-2014, 01:30 AM   #39
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Please don't add a deal button.
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Old 09-30-2014, 01:58 AM   #40
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

How much is it going to affect the traffic for HUSNGs? I hope those spin and gos doesnt take away all the fish.
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Old 09-30-2014, 02:03 AM   #41
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Re: ** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

What are Spin and Go classified as in Poker Tracker? Is there actually a filter for them?
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Old 09-30-2014, 02:08 AM   #42
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What are Spin and Go classified as in Poker Tracker? Is there actually a filter for them?
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Old 09-30-2014, 02:15 AM   #43
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So how does the rake work? Lets take $1 games for example. There are three players who each play $1 to play but the price pool is only $2 most of the time. Isn't that like 33% rake?
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Old 09-30-2014, 02:27 AM   #44
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So how does the rake work? Lets take $1 games for example. There are three players who each play $1 to play but the price pool is only $2 most of the time. Isn't that like 33% rake?
Looking at it that way, it's negative rake for all the the times the prize pool is not just $2. Overall, it averages out to 7% for the $1 games. (5% for $3 games, and 4% for $7 to $30)
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Old 09-30-2014, 02:46 AM   #45
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Please don't add a deal button.
It never hurts to have an opportunity to negotiate a bigger cut for myself when my opponents are too scared.
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Old 09-30-2014, 05:21 AM   #46
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This is at the 50s on FTP. Not 100% how to calculate it out, but something like 12% evROI pre rake, but down 20 BIs
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Old 09-30-2014, 06:12 AM   #47
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So it is 4% rake of the prizepool rather per player, meaning the rake per player is 1.33%. Its fairly low and seems even beatable.
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Old 09-30-2014, 06:27 AM   #48
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No that doesn't seem right to me. If it is 4% of the prizepool it is also 4% rake per player.

Think about a 99+1 tourney. $2 is taken out of a $200 prizepool, thats 1% of total prizepool, and each player is also paying 1% rake
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Old 09-30-2014, 07:51 AM   #49
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So it is 4% rake of the prizepool rather per player, meaning the rake per player is 1.33%. Its fairly low and seems even beatable.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:36 AM   #50
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I hope there's a way to self exclude from these separately, without affecting mtt, sng, cash

these are like crack
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