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04-14-2016 , 01:05 AM
I vaguely recall two guys ($100 Spin regs) are in BKK and both are also members of $100s or $200s Hyper division as well. I'm not super friendly with them tho so can't exactly hook you up, but at least you know they're in town.
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04-14-2016 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mirikrom
Guys, I need to disagree with you. when I talking about playing 4K games I have in mind some spin pro which play this as main game (probably 95%+ of his monthly volume coming from spins). As well my example is only about guys which play spins for a living and it is their main financial income (not coming an eventual in come which can come from some outside investment of course, as I have in mind $/working hour).

so, 4K games per month while 4 tabling (about 24 games per hour) is:
4000/22 working days = 182 games per day
182 games / 24 games per hour = 7.6h per of grind per day

adding 2.5-3h for breaks we finish with 10-10.5h working day , so basically same time which we need to spend when going to 9-7 regular job (included travel time and lunch breaks) or even less if we work in some sectors.

if we able to mange to have 55chips+ our salary from poker will be descend and probably above average even in well developed country (about 4K$ without counting big multipliers).

so we have 5 days working week which produce quiet nice income at the end of the month (+ possibilities of bonus when shipped), quiet good no..?

probably for stay on the top we need to invest about 20% of hour working time into education, so we need to add about 40-45h for it which will affect hour hourly rate , but still believe that we can do it as extra job before session as warm up or on one of free days (seems hard, but if you go to real job, you really think that you will have your promotion if you not put more work in what you do then your colleagues? if yes.. hell! stop playing poker and do this amazing job as it's nuts!

and for the guys which saying is not possible, to hard etc etc. My biggest month in volume was 2880 games on 30$ with 49cEV (mixing 2-3-4 tables) this month I stared played 5 days later, having horrible working ethic (skipping sessions), smoking, bad eating , no sport etc. still manged to do quiet well. and as I said, I do not believe I am good at all. vs regs actually I am horrible when multitables as I do not adjust almost at all.

and about argument that no much guys is able to it, I do not buy it. I know there is a lot of guys which are able to do so, but why there would go for such crazy grind if they can move level up and with less working hour have same financial outcome. actually I would go in different direction of thinking. guys which do it, they often good enough to beat 30$ field but from some reasons (like BR issue, not able to regwarring etc) do not move to 60$.
I don't think anyone is saying it's impossible, but if you look at spinlyser...see who is playing 4000+ games a month with 55+ chip ev at stakes $30+. The answer is very, very few.
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04-16-2016 , 04:00 AM
Got a question about how Spinlyser is marking their games since it doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

If you go on the homepage (https://spinlyzer.com/Dashboard), you get to see a list of stakes (15s, 30s, 60s, and 100s) along with the percentage of 0 reg games and 1 reg games.

Now here's my question. As I am marked as a 'reg' in spinlyser, are games where I am drawn against two non-regs marked as a '1 reg game' or not? And none of my games will ever be marked as '0 reg games' while I still have a 'regular' tag?

Let's take the 30s for an example. At the time of writing, '0 reg games' are at 20.5%, 1 reg games are at 42.1%. Does this mean 20.5% of games take place with 3 players who don't have a 'regular' tag? And 42.1% of games are taking place with 1 guy who has a 'regular' tag and 2 guys who do not (since from the perspective of that one regular, the game is a '0 reg game', even though he is a regular himself). And if that's the case, why are there no stats to show the number of 2 reg games and 3 reg games?

Or are the stats on the homepage shown from the perspective of a single regular player (i.e. a 1 reg game is actually a 2 reg game and a 0 reg game is actually a 1 reg game?). And the remaining percentage is distributed into 2 reg games (i.e. all 3 players are regulars), and true zero reg games (where all 3 players are not regulars).

Hoping that makes sense.
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04-16-2016 , 05:48 AM
on dashboard "No reg games" mean: 0 regs games ; 1 regs games mean: 1 reg game ; so remaining ratio indicate 2 regs+ games . it not show data from your perspective as there are global data . it's made in this way I believe because we can make deduction of difficulties of level by to redirect our attention on softness of field, as 0 and 1 reg games we perceive soft, so if something is not soft then is strong(=difficult). I like this system, very intuitive.

Last edited by Mirikrom; 04-16-2016 at 05:53 AM.
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04-16-2016 , 07:02 PM
Yeah I take it to mean that 0 reg games have no regulars in them. In 1 reg games that I'm playing in I'm the only reg.

It would be interesting to know % of 2+ reg games by hour of day. Honestly when I play in the morning (aus time zone) there are way less Hungarian crushers than when I play at night so I usually do better and enjoy the games more. It would be cool to see data breaking it down. I'm also playing at the 15s
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04-18-2016 , 03:33 AM
So they reduced the probability of the top prize by 66.6%, and didnt increase any other probability (only x2!), lol! Thats the goal of Amaya, less people win, more rake-traps, 1 in 1 million lol, its a waste of time, better play the lottery, but ... if people still plays them ... guess what Amaya is going to do
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04-18-2016 , 02:20 PM
actually the fact that they reduced probability of highest multiplier is the best think which could happen for an grinder in general, as you do not base your profit from spins on 12000x (not lifetimes enough to realize equity of this one). other think is that yes, they higher rake on 15-30$ buy-in by increased 2x and lowered 4x which is bad, but effective rake (not counting 3 top prize pools) is increased only by 0.2% from 7 to 7.2 ( due the fact that they reduced top one by 3 ). however on the other hand, they reduced variance in 60$+ and now effective rake is lowered by 0.8% in those games, so from 7 to 6.2%.

imo is good think what they done for ecosystem as now smaller number of 60$ regs will come play at 30$. so for 30's players is mean that they have softer competition when rake increased only by 0.2%. rather good deal.
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04-18-2016 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Virgin Games Wild Seat Poker

From what I can tell, it's
  • 4-max,
  • winner-take-all,
  • 20bb start,
  • 2.33 minute levels,
  • 2x-10000x multipliers, and
  • 10% rake.
Just another Jackpot SnG type thing but it's all Slots/Casino players so soft as all hell. 200% Deposit bonus is pretty decent though and you get it all up front rather than released in chunks like 888/FTP etc. Gotta play it through though obv.
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04-18-2016 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mirikrom
rather good deal.
Yeah good deal, rake increase without any benefit. What when recs realize that it never hits. Worse than lottery 1 in 3 million to win big prize. If you play 1.000.000 rake & go's there is a 36.79% chance you never hit one (and if you hit you have to win it). Lol 7% rake hypers
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04-18-2016 , 06:07 PM


Spoiler:
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04-18-2016 , 06:50 PM
50% 0-reg games, must be nice
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04-18-2016 , 07:07 PM
Ew, that looks like a lot of **** to eat.
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04-18-2016 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBigFish
Yeah good deal, rake increase without any benefit. What when recs realize that it never hits. Worse than lottery 1 in 3 million to win big prize. If you play 1.000.000 rake & go's there is a 36.79% chance you never hit one (and if you hit you have to win it). Lol 7% rake hypers
for me yes, for you I don't know, seems like you are not happy... maybe then you should stop playing them..?

p.s. fish will stop when they get bored of them not when they will realize something, as per definition fishes not thinking about profitability of their actions.

#Gremio, 43.4cEV is not very good imo. it is not a surprise that huge money variations occured. with 60+cEV you are relativity safe and 70+ variance do not concerning you much.

Last edited by Mirikrom; 04-18-2016 at 08:06 PM.
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04-18-2016 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by acbarone
50% 0-reg games, must be nice
The increase of the % of 0-reg games is correlated with the ABI drop... which indicates that the probability of a 0-reg game is so much bigger in $15s than in $30s.
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04-18-2016 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mirikrom
with 60+cEV you are relativity safe and 70+ variance do not concerning you much.
LOL and LOL

With 60+ "you are relativity safe" = probably not losing money.
So safe!

Also 3 people has 70+ cEV @ the 15s and non at 30+, so that's that.
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04-18-2016 , 08:46 PM
Also lol at with 70 chips variance 'won't concern you much'.
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04-18-2016 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by grinder4all
Also lol at with 70 chips variance 'won't concern you much'.
I mean money swings, variance is always same.
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04-18-2016 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by drisk
LOL and LOL

With 60+ "you are relativity safe" = probably not losing money.
So safe!

Also 3 people has 70+ cEV @ the 15s and non at 30+, so that's that.
Only 3 people at the 15s have 70+ cEV? Is this true or just a random number you pulled out of your head? And if so since what date?
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04-18-2016 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
The increase of the % of 0-reg games is correlated with the ABI drop... which indicates that the probability of a 0-reg game is so much bigger in $15s than in $30s.
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04-19-2016 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by nateofclubs
Only 3 people at the 15s have 70+ cEV? Is this true or just a random number you pulled out of your head? And if so since what date?
GRRRiZ and Alicia2112 are the only ones I know with 70+ chips that play reasonable volume.

Of course a lot of people that are capable of 70+ chips will play higher anyway.
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04-19-2016 , 05:41 AM
Anyone who plays 60s and higher would like to be interviewed for husng.com? PM!
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04-19-2016 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by nateofclubs
Only 3 people at the 15s have 70+ cEV? Is this true or just a random number you pulled out of your head? And if so since what date?
Obv, I just make up numbers and claim it as the truth. Why not?
Let me give you a random date, too : 12 May 2015.
(L1VE FOREVER is the third with the above mentioned)
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04-19-2016 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by drisk
Obv, I just make up numbers and claim it as the truth. Why not?
Let me give you a random date, too : 12 May 2015.
(L1VE FOREVER is the third with the above mentioned)
Well you have only 9 posts on 2+2 so your word isn't automatically credible as fish love to exaggerate in their frustration of getting crushed.
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04-19-2016 , 11:49 AM
I want to be included in the 70chipev++ in 15s, please.

10 RaydeN08 $15 2,290 $1,997 7.9% 72.0 $2,696 $3,594 $19 $917

Thank you, I feel more confident in myself now.
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04-19-2016 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RaydeN08
I want to be included in the 70chipev++ in 15s, please.

10 RaydeN08 $15 2,290 $1,997 7.9% 72.0 $2,696 $3,594 $19 $917

Thank you, I feel more confident in myself now.
According to Spinlyzer you're a high stakes reg who for some reason decided to play nearly 5000 games at the 15s in March?

When I said I only know of two people, I was really referring to those who regularly play the stake, not someone from higher up who decided to play low stakes for only a month.

Of course as noted already a lot of people with the ability to get 70+ chips move up long before they become 'regulars' at a stake.
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