$15 6m hypers haven't been so disgusting since I started playing them. They don't run enough during day time on week days for me to play so I have to grind at night on week days and even then the tables are filled with regs. Pretty lol that Stars refused to launch 18m hypers for liquitidy reasons but they went ahead and launched this crap.

but how much is the average rake in the long run? Whats the average prizepool?
Isnt it smaller than 3x the buy in -rake in the long run? I expect it to be. Thats why im saying its -ev. A good player can ofc have an edge in a 3 handed sngs, but if the bingo prizepools equal extra rake, its simply not beatable anymore.
So it would be nice if anyone could tell if thats the case.

Yeah there are/will be people good enough to beat the games in its current format.

It makes perfect sense from a profit only perspective for stars. They are saying that there have been 100+ top prize pool 1$ spin&go tournaments so far meaning that roughly 2million of those have run already lol. The rake in those things is higher than in any other hyper turbo they offer so yea, sadly it makes sense from a rake as much as you can perspective

or they rigged it to give that money in the beginning as a publicity stunt

They make 140k in rake per week from a $1 SNG lol not bad.

Regarding the sounds played at the start of a Spin & Go: they aren't played if the beta sounds are enabled as I've told above, but if default / custom sounds are installed, then the sequence played at the start is snd14.wav (3 times) + snd15.wav + snd16.wav from <PS folder>\snd\. If you delete these files, the sounds won't be played, as long as you use a custom shortcut that launches PokerStars.exe.

Recall that the default shortcut created during installation launches PokerStarsUpdate.exe, which checks whether any files in the client folder are altered, and if they are (like in our case; note that, if you replace snd15.wav by your own file with the same name, PSU.exe will detect the change), it prompts to download 'a newer version', but in fact it's usually not new, it just redownloads the default files, including the spinning sounds. Of course you need to still run the updater manually from time to time, to avoid missing useful but not mandatory (not forced by PS.exe) updates, and then remove the sounds manually.

Note that, if you delete the sounds after you've launched the client, then the default spinning sounds will still be played during that session, so remove the files (snd14-16) prior to launching Pokerstars.exe.

Alternatively, just use the beta sounds; I find them (as well as the default pack) too tilting and have started using calmer custom ones again.

Are there really people here who grind these? Im curious.

Some people even play 9-12 tables of $30s.

Average rake in the long run is 7% for $1 games, 5% for $3s, and 4% for $7 and up. The average prize pools are 2.79, 2.85, and 2.88 buyins respectively. No additional rake is charged.

This is wrong because if you take money from your buddy in BB you are actually not winning anything. You only win 0.5bb when sb folds.

Yeah because in the sb's perspective if he is playing gto his ev is the same when facing a button open and when facing a button fold.

pokerstars, do you introduce higher stakes spin and gos?
omaha H/L spin and gos?
why no antes in a no limit format?
where to get the background colours of spin and gos for normal tables?

Please don't introduce higher spin and goes.

why? they'd be very much appreciated by those who will need to grind up the status during Xmas by the end of the year!

Well before spin and goes there was 6max hypers. And as mentioned ITT before the risk/incentive of collusion etc is far too big for something like this to be introduced higher (think about it- fewer games running, more regs, bigger chance of being in same sng as your "partner(s)").

I believe stars used to run 10k husngs but they were removed for similar reasons (hardly ever running, being a liability to stars and regs alike rather than a grindable stake).

It would be the nice side of the change, but the nasty side would be that some of the fish from the 30s would migrate to the 60s too and lose money there faster...

1632 games in for the $15s, 36.3% win %, 36.4% EV win %, down $270 pre-RB (roughly even post-RB). So definitely not feeling the positive side of variance, haven't participated in one of the top 3 tiers yet. Win rate looks pretty strong, tho, so gonna keep grinding and see what happens.

Games do appear a bit tougher than the first few days, been noticing more and more purple tags (good regs) and Supernovas as my tables recently. Although a few of the Novas suck.

good article there:

http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/craf...ategy-icmizer/

thinking that unless you run hot and hit some Top 3 pricepool you have 8% rake is scary, but if you remember that your rakeback will be only on the first 4% it become just disgusting

Q is thinking that the ROI is going to be the same as in usual hypers. It must be a bit higher in Spins because additional fish flocks there from cash games (the ring game traffic has fallen by 9% according to Pokerscout), while regs coming from there are not so good at SnG play either.

Wouldn't it be nice if pokerstars replaced all 9- and 10-handed formats (cash, stt and mtt) by 3-handed formats. Without the spin please.

it's just me or spins are killing action on stars?

also disconnects dramatically increased in all formats

Its just you I think. Everyone else is getting tonnes of action in 'regular' SNGs - HU, 6max, 9max etc all bursting at the seams with fish - sooooooooooo much action atm. Regs have never been so content and optimistic about the future.