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10-29-2015 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ValuetownJL
1k games is nothing in spins, you can run pretty good over a 1k sample or run pretty bad. A good indicator will be after roughly 10k games
Samples depend on buy in

, theres a lot of things u can see at 15$ with 1000 games sample (nsd , specific stats that converge fast etc)

However at 100$ for ex due to the fact u have less edge in general samples need to be bigger
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10-29-2015 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Eponymous
You will be able to switch HUDs with hotkeys on Winamax Expresso. The additional features available in the Professional versions only work on PokerStars (those features being automatic HUD switching and the blind level timer).
So no point in buying..

Thank you!
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10-29-2015 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Auca32
I'm thinking about adding 100 dollar spins to some of my slow sessions. Has anyone calculated how much the change in multipliers affect the variance? I'm sorry if this has already been asked.
If money is your big concern, then you should probably start at the <=$30s anyway to gain experience in the spin format because I doubt that you'll have a positive expected ROI at all off the bat at the $100s if you have little experience in HU (or, less relevant, 6-max) hypers (you're a PLO200-600 reg, aren't you?) - the HUSnG converts (and highly experienced converts from other formats) are going to own your soul at the $100s.

I couldn't have said otherwise, though, as I'm playing <=€10s ($/€5s lately except for free Twister tokens) which are where I belong permanently in terms of skill, no matter how big the BR is (I don't even know with what range to limp the button or 3-bet non-all-in, so don't have those in the arsenal vs regs, lolfail).



Maybe I'm a money nit. Your ROI at spins is going to improve fast enough to move up, though, because your learning routines are likely better than mine.

And I wonder why you call PLO (or MTTs?) slow - the postflop play is so complex there that there are a ton of things to think about when multitabling (even when being at as few as 6 non-Zoom tables), I surely never get bored there.

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10-29-2015 , 09:32 AM
P.S. My criterion for moving up is having 55 chips per tourney (=37% ITM) all-in adjusted, but that's if I were in urgent need of VPPs, otherwise I prefer just adding tables; moreover, and as far as VPPs, I even doubt that playing 2N tables of the same stake is less profitable per hour than playing N tables of the twice bigger buy-in level.

Things are different if you're ego-driven, i.e. becoming a winning reg of the highest stakes possible is more satisfying to you than putting the least effort possible into earning a desirable sum of money.
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10-29-2015 , 10:08 AM
Hello!

Can someone suggest a good PT4 HUD for spins?

TIA
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10-29-2015 , 10:37 AM
Just make it yourself (here's the official guide to this), adding the stats that you're going to check in actual games.

My experience with third-party HUDs has been that I normally look at like 10% of their stats at best, the rest just clog the screen
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10-29-2015 , 12:17 PM
If you just want 10% of the stats, have a lot of time on your hands and enjoy making stats, or need something really customized (though in the latter you should probably hire it out to a programmer), then it can make sense to make your own HUD.

Otherwise, it's a small price to pay compared to the time it'll take to learn and build your own.
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10-29-2015 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rivertiger
The $million$ is practically in your bank already.
Im not sure what u tryin to imply or if u just try to be funny?
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10-29-2015 , 08:27 PM
He's making fun of you

Spoiler:
and your adorable little sample
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10-30-2015 , 08:06 AM
whats the rake in the twister games on ipoker? are the player pools shared between ipoker1 & ipoker2?
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10-30-2015 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by The Nemesis
whats the rake in the twister games on ipoker? are the player pools shared between ipoker1 & ipoker2?
7.54%. Same rake for all twisters from €1 - €10. Maximum twister is €10.

I thought they got rid of segregated player pools there a couple of months ago.

More 2x's than PokerStars and less 4x's. Same 6x's.

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10-30-2015 , 11:15 AM
I have the Twister rake as 6.88%.
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10-30-2015 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
I have the Twister rake as 6.88%.
You're probably right. My memory isn't what it once was.

€10 is 9.30 + 0.70 so I probably just divided 0.70 by 9.30 multiplied by 100 and got 7.53% rake.

Although, from someone who can't remember what he did yesterday, I know that I've probably used the wrong calculation. It's been far too long since I was in school.
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10-30-2015 , 11:37 AM
Ah, that makes sense and I should have realized it. There are two methods for calculating -- divide the rake amount into entry amount or divide it into the total buyin (entry + rake). I use the second method to reduce confusion, since that's how it's published on most of the poker sites.

For the truly anal: €10.00 = €9.3123 + €0.6877
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10-30-2015 , 01:57 PM
Yea they got rid of segregation once they changed to Source Based Rake (SBR).
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10-30-2015 , 04:29 PM
That's true; also, Twister was never segregated anyway, apart from its first month or two when skins were installing it onto their clients one by one in a rather random order.
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10-31-2015 , 08:23 PM
#BringBackRationalGroupForPS , let's start this revolution!
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10-31-2015 , 08:38 PM
But do the Scheinbergs want to return to business? Likely not - they're the ones who have milked billions out of the poker economy and don't really need any more, can relax and watch how Amaya is trying to pay off its debt to them.
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10-31-2015 , 09:48 PM
Still too early and haven't had time to fully develop my plan for post January, but I highly doubt I'll be playing $100s.

My current winrate at $100 Spins is 40 cEV (2.5%) but without 68% RB it makes much less sense to play them.

$100s with 68% RB, $5.75/game
$100s with 30% RB, $4/game

Not sure about my winrate at $30s, all I need is 10% to make as much playing those as I would in $100s under the new system. Plus I get easier games, less stress, lower variance, etc.

Spoiler:
KING OF THE MICROS HAZ RETURNED
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10-31-2015 , 11:21 PM
i spot i7axa on the recent top prize pools of the day, shared in $120. glad to see he's still grinding!
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10-31-2015 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by acbarone
Still too early and haven't had time to fully develop my plan for post January, but I highly doubt I'll be playing $100s.

My current winrate at $100 Spins is 40 cEV (2.5%) but without 68% RB it makes much less sense to play them.

$100s with 68% RB, $5.75/game
$100s with 30% RB, $4/game

Not sure about my winrate at $30s, all I need is 10% to make as much playing those as I would in $100s under the new system. Plus I get easier games, less stress, lower variance, etc.

Spoiler:
KING OF THE MICROS HAZ RETURNED
A clever ruse to get the other 100's regs to move down imo
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11-01-2015 , 12:09 AM
You're just mad that he's found your ticket to gold all these years
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11-01-2015 , 12:19 AM
True, grinding the lower stakes, stress free, regular $, there's a lot going for it.
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11-01-2015 , 12:33 AM
Unfortunately this change kills SNGs, so can't move back to those.
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