Baard

what's going on here?





Very tricky and rather disorienting playing without the text and info box...




EDIT: yeah, and it just happened in the first one I regged after posting this as well, just noticed there was no spinny wheel excitement to enjoy either

I like the idea of no deal-making, makes you deal with the variance of the games.

Plus people become so unbelievably tight when they can't deal

TeamTrousers, it looks as though Pokerstars give priority to fixing bugs in the 7th version of the client, the 6th version is getting orphaned for obvious reasons (new players tend to use the 7th).

And I don't really understand why people are hating v. 7 so much.

Eh, didn't even think of that, I'm just so used to ignoring irrelevant popups and crap. TBH, I'd forgotten about PS7, all the excitement about it was probably over a year ago now. I'll give it a whirl and see if that fixes it. Thanks!

Through 999 games, my win % has slipped to 36.1%, with cEV being almost exactly the same. Pretty disheartening since I'm in a mad dash to figure out if these will make me money or not. It's possible that the Spin and Gos were softer the first couple days while everyone was trying them out, and my win % will continue to dip and they won't be worth playing for me.

Anyone have more than 1 K games and wanna share results?

To Baard: could you please explain, at least roughly, how the seating algorithm works? If a player chooses to register in two Spin & Gos of the same stake, is s/he registered in the first two available tourneys, or does the system try to delay at least one of the registrations to reduce the chance of running into the same pair opponents?

Less than an hour ago (at a low liquidity hour for sure, but with still a lot of people in the $30 pool, I assume), I got seated with exactly same pair of opponents at exactly the same time. Presumably, all the three of us had chosen to register in two (in my case) or more $30 Spin & Gos at once.

Such things shouldn't happen imo (in my experience, they never happen on iPoker, in a much smaller €10 Twister pool), i.e. instead of seating a player with the same pair of opponents as in either of the Spin & Gos where s/he is already playing or registered, the server should register the player in another (possibly yet empty) Spin & Go. Otherwise the collusion risk is too high (the colluders will get seated together most of the time if they click the 'Register into 5' button synchronously).

Note to fellow players: if it turns out that the seating algorithm is the primitive first come - first serve, then it's better to register in Spin & Gos one by one with some delay, so that we aren't seated against each other in multiple tourneys at once!

Pretty sure it's first come first served, got the same pair of opponents in lower stakes SNGs which would be super unlikely given the massive player pool.

Same experience here. Seeing 2-3 same opponents when loading up 3 tables is too frequent for it to be a coincidence I think.

I wrote about some of the negative thoughts about collusion and other aspects here. Imo its just a matter of time before this becomes a big problem. Initally it will get unnoticed but once people realize whats going on they will already have lost a lot of money to it...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...mping-1477807/

now this is serious!

Don't even have a huge sample yet, but already an 80 BI downswing

can someone with a background in probability explain to me why the frequency with which you encounter regs depends on wether you register in bulks or not? is that obvious to everyone but me?

Appears they have a limited number of loading tourneys meaning that if a number of players regs multiple tourneys at the same time they get seated in those before new empty ones are created.

If this format makes it harder for the regs to profit then obv. its harder for any1 to profit
from the fish perspectiv and after some games i wonder how this will work out
cuz they will probably lose more $ in this format and there are many formats

6max hyper , zoom , huhyper , mtt hyper etc

that are just as fun to play

Is the variance graph for these things really that much worse than large field MTTs?

You tell me.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=534

I still don't know? I mean 34.8% isn't really beating the games much (.2% expected ROI? Yuck.) So what does a .2% ROI MTT graph look like?

Be aware that simulation was done before we knew the actual structure for ps.com (the actual structure is a little more top-heavy so the swings should be slightly worse).


I don't have a great answer. Yes, there are similarities in the way you hit big payouts infrequently in MTT and Spin&Go. But generally you'll have a much larger edge vs the field in an MTT. While it can be justified in some SNG formats since there is potential for substantial post-rakeback profit, I wouldn't advise playing MTTs with an expected ROI of .2%.

There's some good MTT variance info here:

http://www.nsdpoker.com/2011/01/mtt-pros/

http://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-St...Spin%20N%20Gos

Looks like at least one guy made an account to play these judging by his name.

lol he isnt even playing spin and goes

its not just regs that want deals

last 3 big ones i railed it was 3 randoms desperately trying to deal only to call a mod to tell them its not possible

I like how fish play the games to go for the big payout then when they get a big prize they try to make a deal so that they guarantee themselves to not get the big payout.

so, if understand well, it is almost impossible make a living out this unless you share % with other reg (in that case very hard not be coluding 3handed...)

Imo stars should change the jackpot distribution, make it
x100
x25
x10
x4
x2

way more smother and better for poker ecosistem, (think about casual player wins 30k @30s , he will cashout some big % for sure, thats money go outs the room... if he wins 3k more likely smaller % goes out the cicle)

Also if player see more x100 x25 , than x1000 they will be less incline to think it is rigged,
Smother jackpot is win win.
Marketing is already win, 3handed, 3minute can win 100 buyins, thats more than enought imo, nothing can compete against this.

One of the few posts that makes complete sense to me

You're definitely wrong about fish preferring more frequent 100x sngs than rare 1000x sngs. The whole reason lotteries/progressive jackpots are popular in the first place is because fish like to fantasize about what they would do with the life changing money as an escape from their ****ty lives. If you guys were right, and fish actually preferred lower prize pool, lower variance formats, they would still be throwing their dollars into reg speed 9 mans.