got owned with this before too but i got owned wayy worse

was longest week ever.. and no cant change it for any reason, sent them 100 emails and accomplished nothing

It's harsh, but you can understand their position - just imagine the email tirades they get from actual degen that block it on purpose and then want back in...

That sucks, you're not the only one though kgb, many have done that over the years mistakenly.

At least you weren't drunk and didn't self exclude for months.

I personally self excluded from spins for 10 months because I thought they weren't beatable (lol). Expires in like 12 hours. Understandably and importantly they won't lift a self exclusion under any circumstances before the date you request.

why not a single player exepted "bighusla" shows his real profits.

exp chip ev is a objective way to show the skill, but we want to hear about real results.

we need to know if being good brings good cash in spins, and the guys selling their video packs could get more customers (or less) showing how much money they make

well its not a $ graph, but it says NetWon:31k in the info box, which is pretty sick. dont know if that includes rb.

birjaan video pack: his graph is only chips the guy might have make only 1k$

Look again, it is written right there. And I pressume this is pre-rb.

that is indeed amazing. however I went through the top 25 most played accounts(games)on a known trackingsite with the searchpremise "last 30 days" recently at 100s and like 3 guys had a positive graph without a huge bink. Lots of guys being stuck pre rb.

So what you're saying is, when you excluded the people who won a lot of money, there weren't many people who'd won a lot of money?

Ok so this is a long thread. I apologize if this has been asked a million times!

I have just played 1500 $1 spin and go's as I understand it the rake is 7% (I read this on the first page, I'm presuming nothing has changed).

I have two questions, what win % do I need to be profitable? And is 1500 tournaments anywhere near enough of a sample to deduce anything? I've won 37%, is it likely I'm beating this game?

Thanks, benat.

Sentin is #1 in recent times on the EV + RB leaderboards and his cash profit is huge. He shows his profit in the graph he put up here too...

Maybe there's a disconnect from some of the population still feeling spins aren't beatable?

What can the community do to make it clear to random poker players that spins are very profitable games for those that work hard at improving and playing them?

As far as what you should want, you should want skill. A guy up 50k but only 2k in EV is making worse decisions on avg than a guy down 5k in profit but up 6k in EV (the former would sell a lot more coaching, videos, get more horses in a stable, etc. though, but be the smarter customer and use the EV, not profit as a primary metric in your decisions).

That's like looking at the highest volume MTTers for the last month and excluding those that hit a FT...

It's funny, I used to get flack all the time for posting graphs without dollar amounts (which I did cause obv they're a relatively useless metric of success in these games), and now that I post them anyways, I still manage to get the same complaint every time somehow lol

But ya, for those who really need their real-winnings fix, it's up there for you in prerakeback form.

i excluded the ones that had jackpot of the top3 caliber, i dont think hitting the $300k @ 100s or $45k on 15s is a good measurement of you being a good player. So i filtered for most games played, at each stake and looked at those in the green that had not hit a multiplier for 120bi+, and even if I did the graph were declining before and after on some of them having only profit due to the jackpot bink.

Soo... all in all there were like 3 players in profit without a jackpot win at that update :s


seeing guys with a steady stream of profit gotten from the 4x and 6x(and 10x/25x games) will for any reasonable person make you motivated to get better and hit the study instead of sad graphs of 20k games b/e except for that jackpot win/comfortingprice since you could very well go your whole spin&go career without a single jackpot no matter how many games you play.

I disagree, the frequency of FTs for any mtt-grinder and jackpot binks are not even in the same universe, further on not a single grinder on the volume-list past 30 days is even close to grind enough games to hit a jackpot even once. (top#1 is 7,xk games at 100s. "worst jackpot" is at a frequency at 10games out of 100k. 1 game out of 10k.) What youre saying is leaderboards/monthly graphes or even annual for the nonmassing guys are utterly useless if rolling jackpots are a must to ones winrate. Sentins graph would still be in the profit and steadily rising without his 120 buyin bink since that is only a third of his winnings but for the majority of the last 30 days volumers at 100s it isnt looking like that sadly. Berndsen12´s graph gives me an erection though, hes a beacon in a dark and rough sea(of variance).

thats where you made a mistake, top volumers arent representative group of spin world, because top volumers (90%) of them have break even ev-roi and re pushing SNE, so maybe you should search for players who give a f about their pre rb roi and are over 50chip/game, not, under 30 (losing pre-rb players if you dont bink 3600x)

surprise surprise, when you search for spinEV only 3 guys out of 25 (last 30 days) lost pre rb, avg weightened profit + rb in 5 digits

I guess, just figured id spot a few crushers @ 100s if i went by samplesize and I honestly did, aforementioned erectiongiver etc, just way fewer than I expected given spinwiz being in the mix.

Not to mention chicagory that the frequency of hitting FTs in mtts is affected by volume and skill (and obv rungood) whilst in spins skill/chipev got zero to do with it.

But volume certainly has an effect, and whilst small, skill also plays a part in your chance of winning a large spin when you land one.

I am greatly disappointed by my graph's inability to arouse you sexually

Why coaches don't post their top spin? WHAT are they trying to hide??!!

Probably because good coaches understand that what they spin should be none of their concern. Why worry about something you can't control?
But fwiw, as stated, my biggest spin was 12K and beyond that I am like 3 or 4 out of 11 in 1Ks and nothing else above that.

Sorry, that was sarcasm that should have included a winky or something.

But..... if you do have tips on how to spin high multipliers, I'm listnen'.

Edge once you hit a multiplier (37% versus say 30% makes a difference), and also not being down a ton of money to where hitting a multiplier doesn't really make you that profitable after you hit it.

In MTTs volume plays a big factor just like spins. Any ole fish can win a MTT or FT a MTT once in awhile. It's getting a few spaces higher on average, just like in spins you're winning the big one 37% of time not 34% or 30%.

I just didn't love the way you searched and the conclusion you drew. If you want to know frequency, they publish that. If you want to know how profitable the games are, separate by profit. If you want to know how the highest volume players did this month... that's certainly something you can check out, but drawing profitability or frequency conclusions based on that is not the best way to go about it.

haha

Separate by profit (including rb) or spin ev + rb, then take a napkin and wipe the drool off your face.

guys i am making a small spin challenge this month and started all sweet and dandy this morning only to find that it is still august. so please, anyone knows for sure whats the official timezone for pokerstars.eu?

thx

Eastern Time US