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3 user games are a great idea, but close to impossible to properly implement. 3 spinwiz user registering at the same time will still frequently get non-user games in the same way that you can get two fish games by manually regging still.

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08-12-2015 , 08:45 AM

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IQrobot

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Originally Posted by domenico

Quick question to all of you spin regs out there: What is the avg duration of your spin n gos? Also state sample size and bi plz

This should be 7 mins on average; If u play marginal hands what u should do for max ev like for example mr/fold A5o in SB vs BB 17eff. compared to just open shove it a bit longer I guess

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08-12-2015 , 09:09 AM

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uczniak

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Originally Posted by Nefirmative

Obviously, but that's not really a problem, is it? The queue will be cleared, and if users get softer games that they should due to suboptimal resolution of SpinWiz, than so be it. Better this, than allow non-users sneak through in between for 3-non-user games.

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08-12-2015 , 10:25 AM

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alexrjl

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Originally Posted by uczniak

yeah this would incentivise putting people on the double sitlist

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08-12-2015 , 02:03 PM

#2655

Enough Is Enough

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Is EasyStreet HUD-changing software the one that people use for when 3-handed play changes into heads up? I have HUSNG.com's Spin 'n Go HUD and the CoffeeHUD.

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08-12-2015 , 02:26 PM

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ChicagoRy

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^ Yes, they have several options.

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08-12-2015 , 02:35 PM

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denysalin

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Originally Posted by Nefirmative

No it's just a group of players, they're not trying to keep anyone out they just use their own software for some reason.

well .. it seems a bit strange to me that a group off people(with chip EV 50-100) are using their own software to play against all other players(and they are avoiding each other obviously).
More than this..they didn't make it public so the goal of the software owner is not to make money by attracting as many people as possible to use his program.
For me, this sound like a closed cartel ...but maybe I'm paranoiac or maybe I don't understand this very well

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08-12-2015 , 02:37 PM

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ChicagoRy

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^ It sounds like a stable that just avoids each other and sits everyone else. This was happening before SpinWiz was created, several stables did this with software, several smaller ones did it in group skype chats manually.

Since Spins are blind, not random, it's easy to do.

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08-12-2015 , 04:07 PM

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fix9

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The 'other' registration software doesn't look closed and looks like it is available to buy from their website.

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08-12-2015 , 06:09 PM

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Avenger655

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Who are these mysterious "They"? The Sinaloa Cartel? 15s are getting a huge reg invasion, but if they are really 80 players with 50+ chipEV per game, things would turn to complete nightmare if they migrated to spin wiz, it will make it unusable. Games are juicier than almost everything in online poker and it seems that every 2nd HUSNG sicko is making a Spin stable - this cannot end well, we need a strong cartels at all levels, we need a new Pablo Escobar to form another all powerful Medellin cartel get things under control and kick the weaker ones out of business!

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08-13-2015 , 04:39 AM

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domenico

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Excuse an outsider intrusion. What's this "cartel" you're all talking about you guys? What does it mean?

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08-13-2015 , 04:41 AM

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domenico

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Also, aren't spin n gos blind? How can you sit with fishes or players if you don't know who is registered when you buy your ticket?

Lol, I meant fishes or regs, of course ahah

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08-13-2015 , 04:43 AM

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domenico

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Originally Posted by IQrobot

This should be 7 mins on average; If u play marginal hands what u should do for max ev like for example mr/fold A5o in SB vs BB 17eff. compared to just open shove it a bit longer I guess

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I thought something like 5 mins. Can somebody confirm it's this long?

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08-13-2015 , 04:44 AM

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Bluffyou

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Originally Posted by domenico

Excuse an outsider intrusion. What's this "cartel" you're all talking about you guys? What does it mean?

A group of regs that take ownership of a stake and try ensure any player not in the Cartel doesn't have any games against fish at that stake. It doesn't exist in spins yet to my knowledge, but it's been around in husngs for a while now.

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08-13-2015 , 04:48 AM

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domenico

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Originally Posted by Bluffyou

Whoaaaa that's... Wow.

But aren't they gonna sit with a lot of regs this way?

P.S.: And also how could you do that with spins of the room doesn't allow you to see who is at the table of not after registration?

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08-13-2015 , 06:40 AM

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uczniak

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Originally Posted by domenico

Whoaaaa that's... Wow.

But aren't they gonna sit with a lot of regs this way?

(talking about HUSNG here) depends on how many will try to fight them. Some will try in hopes of showing they are good enough and eventually being admitted in; some will not care as they are so good they can beat the cartel for enough for that to be worthwhile on its own.

There are examples of both, so yes, there will be reg games. But it still is a good deal. Many (and I mean a lot) weaker regs will give up and never try where otherwise they would play these stakes if they had access to fish.

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08-13-2015 , 07:04 AM

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kidfromsweden

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is there ever any spins discussion in this thread that isn't about seat scrips and software on how to exploit fun players?

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08-13-2015 , 07:18 AM

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Nefirmative

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Originally Posted by kidfromsweden

is there ever any spins discussion in this thread that isn't about seat scrips and software on how to exploit fun players?

People also talk about winrates and were fairly excited when 100s came out.

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08-13-2015 , 07:32 AM

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domenico

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Originally Posted by uczniak

Thanks man, thank really helped clarify it for me.

It's cool how the action has evolved.

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I've another noob question regarding spins: I see a lot of ppl saying things like, "I have +50cEV", "I have +100cEV" etc... Where do they get this number?
Do softwares like HM2 give it to you?

It's not like ROI, that you can really easily compute manually knowing the total buy-ins and the amount won, right?
It's just how many chips you end the tournament with (either 0 or 1500) plus the EV of all your all-ins, correct?

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08-13-2015 , 07:38 AM

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dybboss

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in HM2 stat is called chips luck adjusted or something (type in chips in search when adding stat), you get a sum, divide it by number of games = chipev/game

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08-13-2015 , 07:40 AM

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domenico

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Originally Posted by dybboss

in HM2 stat is called chips luck adjusted or something (type in chips in search when adding stat), you get a sum, divide it by number of games = chipev/game

Cool, thanks.

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08-13-2015 , 08:10 AM

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Kyanto

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I was wondering towards how many chips/game I should aim my red line?

After adjustments, in HU my non-showdown winnings are pretty much flat.
3way I'm losing 35chips/tourney in non-showdown pots though.
Where abouts should these numbers be?

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08-13-2015 , 09:08 AM

#2673

Nefirmative

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Originally Posted by Kyanto

Red/blueline don't matter, only overall winrate matters. For most people, especially at 30s and below you'll have a breakeven/slightly losing redline and be winning mostly at showdown.

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08-13-2015 , 10:33 AM

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Kyanto

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Well my overall chipev is pretty bad , that's the problem

So I'm trying to find my leaks and losing 34 chips/game in non-showdown 3-handed pots stroke me as a lot. I was just wondering how others do in comparison to get an idea.

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08-13-2015 , 10:57 AM

#2675

Nefirmative

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Originally Posted by Kyanto

Well my overall chipev is pretty bad , that's the problem

You are probably calling too much when behind and not getting enough value when ahead.

That might sound dismissive but in all seriousness look for spots where you could be getting more value or finding folds.

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