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i really don't get why you get X tables when you are 1st in waitlist, what's the reasoning behind that? sharky method of giving you 1 table and then requeueing you just seems so superior, for players because you get a more stable amount of tables and for the economy because in the current state you are rewarded with a higher share of tables for masstabling, whereas you should promote playing less tables from a longterm perspective of keeping ROIs high imo and not burning so much money to rake.

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08-06-2015 , 08:17 PM

#2602

Adversity

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 617

Because in Spins you get x amount of tables (up to a maximum of 5) when you register which aren't view-able lobbies. If SpinWiz only gave you one it would miss so many games that the program would be far less useful.

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08-07-2015 , 06:02 AM

#2603

plaid retina

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 47

is 7% rake beatable at spins on .fr ?

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08-07-2015 , 06:47 AM

#2604

Lobby Skills

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 13

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Originally Posted by plaid retina

is 7% rake beatable at spins on .fr ?

Yes, it is. You need:
36% ITM to BE
36,6 to 2% ROI
37% to 3%
37,7 to 5% before RB.
If you dont count the 100+ multipliers, you need 36,8% ITM to BE.
Expect huge swings and 20-30k BE streches.

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08-07-2015 , 08:19 AM

#2605

dybboss

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,513

or expect small swings and straight / line, since its FR and quality of games should balance (and then some) higher rake

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08-07-2015 , 08:54 AM

#2606

Lobby Skills

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 13

Yeah, but it depends on your ROI and playing style, and one can have a low ROI in softer fields too.

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08-07-2015 , 01:44 PM

#2607

plaid retina

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 47

tx guys for the answers

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08-07-2015 , 03:11 PM

#2608

coon74

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 10,684

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Originally Posted by sirlanka

Why isn´t Pokerstars provably fair already?

Ask the Isle of Man regulators what they think about giving licences to 'provably fair' sites. If they were doing so, Stars surely would have installed such an RNG because it would be good publicity.

I guess regulators (except the laxest ones like Curacao) are unsupportive of provably fair gambling because it relies on Bitcoin, a currency that is on the verge of being illegal because it's hard to be controlled by governments and is widely used for money laundering and drug trafficking.

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08-08-2015 , 04:29 PM

#2609

Pakichu777

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 480

am i correct in thinking that spin and go multiplier's are still not taken into account in HEM2 (unless when you win the sng)?

i'm calculating my effective rake as:

ROIchips*(100-effrake%)=ROIdollar

where ROIchips is the ROI on the 500 chips starting stack, ROIdollar is the ROI as shown by HEM

irrelevant, but i like stats, and complaining how unlucky i am

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08-08-2015 , 04:43 PM

#2610

Joe Pulaski

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,346

proving there is some justice in the poker world, flesske got the 300k. although at this point he's probably played 200k games and he was wondering when the **** it'd finally come.

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08-08-2015 , 05:30 PM

#2611

hoodboy

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 160

Hi guys. Im at 100 chips/game at 7$ spins, what kind of chips winrate can I expect at 15s? I'm not using SpinWiz fwiw and plan on regging manually

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08-08-2015 , 10:23 PM

#2612

Nefirmative

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,213

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Originally Posted by hoodboy

Hi guys. Im at 100 chips/game at 7$ spins, what kind of chips winrate can I expect at 15s? I'm not using SpinWiz fwiw and plan on regging manually

You need a huge (5k-10k+) sample to have any real idea of your winrate, but 15s aren't much harder. Expect to be winning at least 80% as much.

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08-08-2015 , 10:27 PM

#2613

drisk

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 11

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Originally Posted by Nefirmative

You need a huge (5k-10k+) sample to have any real idea of your winrate, but 15s aren't much harder. Expect to be winning at least 80% as much.

Actually, it is much harder and 80 chips/game is a ridiculous expectation.

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08-08-2015 , 10:44 PM

#2614

Nefirmative

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,213

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Originally Posted by drisk

Actually, it is much harder and 80 chips/game is a ridiculous expectation.

80 would be a great return, I doubt hoodboys real winrate at 7s is over 100 a game, it might be closer to 80 with a winrate of 60-70 at 15s.

80cEV is definitely sustainable at 15s but anyone who can do that is playing 60s

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08-08-2015 , 10:54 PM

#2615

drisk

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 11

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Originally Posted by Nefirmative

Wasn't talking about the 100$+ cartel guys..

It's highly unlikely for him making 60+ chips @ the 15s imho.

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08-08-2015 , 11:03 PM

#2616

Enough Is Enough

banned

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 324

There's a cartel at $100 Spins?

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08-08-2015 , 11:08 PM

#2617

Nefirmative

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,213

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Originally Posted by Enough Is Enough

There's a cartel at $100 Spins?

I assume they mean $100s+ HU guys playing spins.

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08-09-2015 , 08:19 AM

#2618

IQrobot

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 609

Queue pace even got worse?

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08-09-2015 , 12:33 PM

#2619

fix9

adept

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 998

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Originally Posted by IQrobot

Queue pace even got worse?

Yes its becoming almost impossible to use due to being so slow.

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08-09-2015 , 01:14 PM

#2620

hoodboy

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 160

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Originally Posted by drisk

Actually, it is much harder and 80 chips/game is a ridiculous expectation.

Turned out to be correct. Played about 100 games and reg:fish ratio is way way lower plus regs seem to be somewhat decent which is very rare at 7s

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08-09-2015 , 03:31 PM

#2621

Bluffyou

adept

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 758

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Originally Posted by hoodboy

Turned out to be correct. Played about 100 games and reg:fish ratio is way way lower plus regs seem to be somewhat decent which is very rare at 7s

You really need a meaningful sample before you can start making these assumptions.

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08-09-2015 , 10:49 PM

#2622

Nefirmative

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,213

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Originally Posted by hoodboy

Turned out to be correct. Played about 100 games and reg:fish ratio is way way lower plus regs seem to be somewhat decent which is very rare at 7s

Most regs play well over 100 games a day, you can easily win 200+cEV or be losing on cEV in that sample and even much larger samples.

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08-10-2015 , 03:53 AM

#2623

vallepoker88

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 289

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Originally Posted by Enough Is Enough

There's a cartel at $100 Spins?

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08-10-2015 , 03:56 AM

#2624

Nefirmative

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,213

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Originally Posted by vallepoker88

I'd hardly call them a cartel

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08-10-2015 , 04:29 AM

#2625

derus

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 17

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Originally Posted by vallepoker88

I lold

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