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Are you sure you get 17.5 VPP from a $60? VPP should be always awarded 5.5/$ (outside of territories with tax differences), which would mean 16.5 in a $60 and 27.5 being normal and correct in a $100

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07-30-2015 , 12:44 PM

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22riverrat22

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the point of poker is to pay rake, not to make profit, get on board

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07-30-2015 , 12:47 PM

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XTYME

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Originally Posted by _dave_

Are you sure you get 17.5 VPP from a $60? VPP should be always awarded 5.5/$ (outside of territories with tax differences), which would mean 16.5 in a $60 and 27.5 being normal and correct in a $100

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Originally Posted by ultrajon

this is so outrages!
i invite everybody not to participate in this until they get the rake down!
wtf?!? 5% rake on a game this short in 100$ buy-in??

I also invite everybody not to participate in this 100s games until:

They lower the 5%rake. Games are less beatable than lower buy-ins so a decreased % should come along. That happens in every other sng format (hypers, turbos, and regular speed), not in spins yet though (for some unknown reason. we haven't seen any why by PS).

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07-30-2015 , 01:13 PM

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coon74

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Thanks to Stars for deploying the $100s!

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07-30-2015 , 02:34 PM

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IQrobot

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Baard

Hello all,

$100s are up now. Same parameters as the $60.

Enjoy and thanks,
Baard

You are further destroying HUSNGs while ****ing your best customers (supernova+) regs; taking more in rake than best players in this format can achieve..

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07-30-2015 , 02:40 PM

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Joe Pulaski

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AND HE WE GO!

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07-30-2015 , 02:49 PM

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IQrobot

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Next ist decreasing VIP rewards next year...

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07-30-2015 , 03:14 PM

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SandmanNess

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Pretty obvious that SNE is going away now IMO, way too easy for people to get SNE now.

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07-30-2015 , 03:43 PM

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IQrobot

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Originally Posted by SandmanNess

Pretty obvious that SNE is going away now IMO, way too easy for people to get SNE now.

I do not think they will remove SN or SNE by name cause both are far too popular; I could imagine the trend goes marketing wise in the direction of veiling real rakeback conditions more and more with for example luck based stuff like the current deposit bonus.

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07-30-2015 , 03:50 PM

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SandmanNess

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Originally Posted by IQrobot

Idk about the name but what they call it is irrelevant. If they take the value of SNE and reduce the effective rb % to less than 50, they have killed it. And given how sick easy it now is to get SNE playing spins I think it's certain they kill it because they know even without SNE people are gonna play the 100s anyway.

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07-30-2015 , 04:15 PM

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22riverrat22

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Originally Posted by XTYME

not in spins yet though (for some unknown reason.

because they are getting away with it

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07-30-2015 , 10:07 PM

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Nefirmative

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Originally Posted by XTYME

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I also invite everybody not to participate in this 100s games until:

They lower the 5%rake. Games are less beatable than lower buy-ins so a decreased % should come along. That happens in every other sng format (hypers, turbos, and regular speed), not in spins yet though (for some unknown reason. we haven't seen any why by PS).

Probably because the best regs are still crushing and many of the regs with lower winrates are SNE/going for SNE and many of them are still profitable pre RB.

Long term 100s and probably 60s will want/need a rake reduction though imho.

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07-30-2015 , 11:51 PM

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Cicada3301

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anyone do a wrost session (in 1 single session) ?

stake 25e

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07-31-2015 , 12:22 AM

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Joe Pulaski

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thats my normal session bro

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07-31-2015 , 01:09 AM

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Cicada3301

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Originally Posted by Joe Pulaski

thats my normal session bro

and how many Bi u can swing tabling 3x with 70 cev? more then this?

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07-31-2015 , 04:45 AM

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be water my friend

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Originally Posted by Cicada3301

and how many Bi u can swing tabling 3x with 70 cev? more then this?

I don't know how much rake you have to pay in your game, but 80-100 buyins swings should happen regularly.

Just play around a bit with the swing simulator for spin & gos, this should give you a good feeling about what can possibly happen.

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07-31-2015 , 05:09 AM

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Lobby Skills

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In a session of 100 games, with 38% ITM (wich is not sustainable at 25's, i guess) and 6% rake (?), u can have:
- a 35 BI DS 1% of the time
- 29 BI's 5%
- 21 BI's 10%

In 50k games:
- 217 BI's 1%
- 179 BI's 5%
- 163 BI's 10%
- and 79 BI's with 99% chance

With a more realistic 4% EV ROI, in 50k games:
- 413 BI's 1%
- 327 BI's 5%
- and 114 BI's with 99% chance

6-800 BI DS's will be common if you have a ROI about 1%.
Rakeback will reduce these swing, ofc.

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07-31-2015 , 08:14 AM

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IQrobot

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Curious if/when $200s coming

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07-31-2015 , 11:04 AM

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watergun7

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Prob not coming. Spins doesn't work at the highest stakes even with lower rake. It will be too obvious that seating software is needed/used if they are introduced.

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07-31-2015 , 12:04 PM

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alexrjl

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Just had a $15 spin open and get stuck on the "this game will start when 2 other players have registered" screen for like 5 mins, then got kicked from spinwiz "for unregistering".

Any ideas what's going on?

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07-31-2015 , 01:45 PM

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Cicada3301

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Originally Posted by Lobby Skills

very interesting, i think u can made 38/37% of 1st place (60/70 cev) in some field probably .it and .fr and what u think about of 50 and 100 on .fr? u think is possible to do more then 37% evitm?