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You have to remember that most ppl posting high cEV graphs from those levels are:

1) Cherry picking
2) Ran very hot last stretches
3) Posting prob the last tournament they ever play at those stakes since they will move up

So in reality you never find out what is achievable long term best since this will never be tested. No answer in a forum here will be very helpful in determining these numbers.

100 spins and 60s spins graphs will be more accurate for sure- since the long term is tested here by a lot of regs, and there are a lot of graphs. But again- almost every single player that posts graphs has incentive to represent a higher winrate long term.

Big stables with good graphs pretty much use the guys at highstakes as advertising to get sign ups. And if they have enough players at high stakes (say 10 players with 30cEV long term)- they will always produce very good graphs on a monthly basis due to variance and obviously no reason to post losing month graphs.

True, long term, consistent results at 100s are very rarely posted, and pretty much only done so by someone trying to sell coaching.

It's a dog eat dog business.

Thanks dude, I appreciate it.

I was just looking for some numbers for what max could be achievable at this stakes. If I remember well acbarone said itt that 100+ chips ev (maybe 120) for 15s was achievable so I am gonna go with this numbers for endboss level.

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08-11-2018 , 09:27 AM

#6753

watergun7

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acbarone was an endboss in spins for sure.

Also he obviously posted most of his graph and isn't involved with any stable- his guess is fairly decent, though he hasn't played 15s himself in the last 3 years.

What you should be aiming at 15s is not 100cEV, but to get to 60+ and understand what you are doing, then try to move up.

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08-11-2018 , 11:06 AM

#6754

GonZo72

adept

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 912

I am over 100 ev chips per game at 7s 1.3k games (I know lol sample size) but I guess that I already understand what I am doing. Last question, how much should I expect my winrate to drop from 7s to 15s, what do you think watergun7, 20% drop?

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08-11-2018 , 01:09 PM

#6755

ohly

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i have a follow-up question: should the attainable hourly become very similar because of the existence of stables? the main obstacle in moving up is bankroll and stables can move their players up without having to build a roll. so will there eventually be only a relatively small difference in what you can make at 100s and at 15s?

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08-11-2018 , 05:06 PM

#6756

EPTchips

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 520

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Originally Posted by GonZo72

100ev is sick. Do you single table?

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08-11-2018 , 06:16 PM

#6757

GonZo72

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 912

6 tabling

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08-11-2018 , 06:31 PM

#6758

EPTchips

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 520

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Originally Posted by GonZo72

6 tabling

how do you even? Just move to $500s already, crush everyone, enjoy the spoils, gl hf

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08-11-2018 , 07:09 PM

#6759

GonZo72

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 912

I wanna move up where they respect my raises so I am waiting for the $1ks spin and go

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08-11-2018 , 07:17 PM

#6760

EPTchips

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 520

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Originally Posted by GonZo72

I wanna move up where they respect my raises so I am waiting for the $1ks spin and go

Higher stakes don't respect your raises. They know the likelihood you have it or you don't and how you might act when they show aggression or whatever plays they spam to win against you.

Tl;dr; higher stakes respect your raises less than in $7s, not kidding.

While $500s are mostly available, I think $1000s are situational. Should run on most Sundays, tho', so tomorrow just might be your lucky day!

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08-11-2018 , 07:33 PM

#6761

MMSS

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,679

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Originally Posted by GonZo72

I don't get this because you are clearly good at the stakes even the sample size proves taht but it also prove you're running like jesus and on top of that why would you try anything but the stake above and see how things happen as that's the best result. The nut worst thing you can do is think you're god and play much higher.

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08-11-2018 , 07:34 PM

#6762

MMSS

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,679

You're clearly just a troll you either have someone ITK backing an supporing you and they're just told you to try and get their games more juicy whilst you never having to play them.

wp I suppose.

edit - no proof too, why am I not exploiting idiots IRL. My bigges leak. I'll delete this post for 1k paypal.

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08-12-2018 , 06:39 AM

#6763

BogdanM1

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08-12-2018 , 08:59 AM

#6764

watergun7

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,796

So this is another truth about poker forums.

Vast majority of people asking about achievable winrates are doing so to brag. Nothing wrong with this, but there's very little honest discussion.

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08-12-2018 , 12:17 PM

#6765

GonZo72

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Originally Posted by MMSS

The "waiting for $1ks spin and go to move up there" was just a joke.

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08-12-2018 , 05:32 PM

#6766

LoveThee

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Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,012

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Originally Posted by watergun7

So this is another truth about poker forums.

Vast majority of people asking about achievable winrates are doing so to brag. Nothing wrong with this, but there's very little honest discussion.

I just want to know what the upper limit for winrate is, to see how I compare.
I had 53% at 3.5$ hypers HU for example. I don't know what percentile I'm in. But I wasn't happy.

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08-15-2018 , 09:29 AM

#6767

Pakichu777

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Who got banned?

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08-15-2018 , 05:34 PM

#6768

HUgrinder2016

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 270

yeah thats the question i wanna know too pakichu

i cant think who it could be at 100s, i think i know the 60s name

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08-16-2018 , 09:30 AM

#6769

Cog Dissonance

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,362

name names.. don't be shy! Or pm me

I'm always curious

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08-17-2018 , 12:11 PM

#6770

gdaviezz

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 143

https://gyazo.com/9f9955e00ee70a4583fb6c71daa94fd7

turns out the guy banned is Flawless432, i reported him a while back and he was unfrozen but then frozen again and i got this reply to my report today

ignore the post above, he isnt banned just being investigated and asked me to remove name but i cant edit my post

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08-17-2018 , 01:00 PM

#6771

acbarone

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Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,880

Here for the refunds, will stay for the 'end boss' compliments

Got $770 from Stars, no info on why except the standard email. Haven't played Spins on PS since 2017 so I'm guessing that the cheating occurred a while back. Anyone else get refunds/have potential info?

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PokerStars has become aware of a situation involving a violation of our Terms of Service, to the potential detriment of other players. You participated in games that were under consideration in this case and as a result you may have been adversely affected.

In a case such as this it is our policy to confiscate the balances of the offender(s) and for PokerStars to add funds where appropriate. This compensation pool is then distributed to players potentially affected in as fair a way as possible.

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08-17-2018 , 02:22 PM

#6772

DiSSaoR

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 374

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Originally Posted by acbarone

i'm a 100s reg and got a refund. no clue from what date it is since I never stopped playing them except for the last few weeks

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08-19-2018 , 04:36 PM

#6773

Pakichu777

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 480

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Originally Posted by acbarone

interesting that you got a refund, while you haven't played in ages, who's been missing?

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08-29-2018 , 06:04 PM

#6774

tittenmaus69

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Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 40

is the stacksize for the nashtables or other stable handcharts the stacksize with or without the blinds posted already?
My starshelper shows me for example at the start of a spin 24bb when im in the bb, so it dont count the bb posted. my hud shows me 25bb, so it shows my stacksize with blind posted.
are nashtables/charts in this szenario for 24bb or 25bb?
im a bit confused^^

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08-29-2018 , 08:40 PM

#6775

_dave_

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,146

It's always the stack size before any blinds are posted.

Starshelper can show both things - "BB in a player's stack right now", and "Effective BB for the hand" (I don't know the accurate wordings sorry). It's always the latter used in charts, it sounds like you are looking at the former.

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