If you've really calculated the cEV correctly*, it's so brilliant that you're qualified to coach and stake microlimit grinders yourself

* By default, the 'chip EV' line is yellow in PT4 (tick the 'Display All-In Equity' box to the left of the graph and untick 'Overlay Net Adjusted') and orange in HM2. The green line shows the number of chips actually won, which is far less accurate.

i havent played 7s, but i would be surprised if 115 cev is anything but huge, there probably isnt alot to improve on for that limit, so i would move up first and see how it goes. nowadays you will probably have to share your profit if you want to get good information. if i were you i would first determine if that's worth it atm.

Tbh I glossed over that part of the post, I haven't heard of winrates >100 cev in spins anywhere really. I think it's possible Hesperides is misreading the graph, but maybe he's just that good. If that's a true cev wr then yeah, should see how it goes higher before joining a stable because you've cracked some sort of code.

Maybe it actually was some default setting that made it more than it actually was, because it did go down on my overall sample once I adjusted some things, but not so much for this year. Just 500 games though.

https://gyazo.com/cae1f79771e65170601c778811727d10

Anyways, wasn't my intention to brag. Thanks a lot for the answers/pms!

Wrote this to stars support, I think it's horrible how the promotional spin and go's offer no information about prizes and the way they can be used!

Hello, please be aware that your satellite spin and go for monte carlo are, as usually, extremely lacking in basic common sense info and contain logic inaccuracies.

1. I have won a 55$ ticket that I can use " in any sattelite of this buy in for monte carlo". However, all the sattelites have the 55 euro buy in, so the ticket is, at the moment, completely useless.
2. What prizes can be won, with which probabilities? This information should be easily accessible for everyone ON THE SPIN AND GO LOBBY or ON YOUR WEBSITE, none of this being true. Also same for the High roller sattelite spin and go!
3. What happens with the unused tickets, after the promotion has expired? will you convert them to tickets that can be used in every MTT? Please keep in mind that I was already once wrongly informed for the PCA spin and go that unused tickets will not be usable for other mtts after the promotion expires, howeever other players didn't use them and had them converted after the promotion as standard mtt tickets!

Looking forward for well informed, accurate response on this one. Thank you very much!

https://imgur.com/a/2fYUR

I had 100 cev in 7s with many tilt & spew moments before I decided to move up

I think >100 cev in 7s is doable (certainly is in 3s and below) but it would be stupid to stay in 7s if you are crushing that hard

what kind of playing style results in the red line like that and blue line like that?

stars spins have 3min lvls, party poker is 2min. Anybody play on party and found that since the blinds go up faster there is less room for post flop edges and just goes to push fold too quickly?

1k games in spins is a ridiculous sample to draw any conclusions from, imo. I´ve had 1k samples with 120cev and 20cev in the same stakes.

^ That was probably because you were playing much worse during the 20 cEV streak than during the 120 cEV one. I think that a big part of the variance of the cEV is explained by the quality of Hero's own play (which is often affected by monetary results, except in really equanimous players, and by the number of tables played) and to some extent by the quality of opponents, i.e. whether Hero chooses to play at soft or tough hours (which is a matter of trial and error).

Each line of that deserves its own eye roll emoji

Yup, with shorter blind levels (and therefore shallower stacks), there's bound to be less of an edge postflop. On the other hand, Party's structure also allows for a higher # of games per hour, so it might actually be beneficial to play the games with the shorter levels depending on your skillset.

^^ OK, I don't mind you not tracking the said factors and blaming every failure on the RNG instead

hmm ok thanks. Thinking about switching over to party instead of stars for rakeback=higher hourly reasons.

So what's up with the rumors that spin4play "cheated" in his propbet using illegal software for regging with some amazing game selection abilities? Vamos or no vamos? What's the gossip?

'spin4play' hasn't been on Stars in months and is unable to receive transfers. Is it a coincidence there's been several Spanish players having their accounts locked and posting on the forum?

What was 'spin4play' volume before and after the bet? I heard people were unhappy with his coaching. Could he even beat the games normally?

kobmish, could you share chat logs of these rumors?

Allegedly spin4play friend said to someone that he was using a program that allowed you to see who is registered in a spin and go, so you can do table selection, play more volume when the games are soft, not sit in games with good regs, sit in games with fish and bad regs, a big advantage and obviously not allowed by stars.

Coоn, I know you thought the deleted thing was a joke, but it was really not funny on at least 3 levels.

Sorry, I confused the initial, longterm, challenge with the 24-hour ones that SpinLegends did later. I wasn't thinking clearly.

I can't even imagine how this would be possible, but if so, what a massive edge it would give.

Hi guys in advance I apologize if I use wrong thread for posting HH but I didnt find any better thread for posting spins HH. This hand was played on 3dollar spin against unknown.

I am basicaly pretty curious if this was a standart line or any of you inclining more to openshove where I dont think villain will fold pocket pairs againts I am flipping.
3 bet seems better for me because I think villain will not fold almost any of his holdings
I am basically shoving any flop with huge fold equity of villain when he doesnt hit so I think I did achieve to take another 3 bb of his randoms suited connectors and random weak holdings?



PokerStars - 15/30 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


Hero (BB): 19.17 BB
BTN: 23.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: 7.33 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

Flop: (12.5 BB, 2 players) Q 3 J
Hero bets 13.17 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 12.5 BB

Any update on that? Any bettors here willing to reveal a bit more information? It was quite a chunk of change on the line from what I recall.

2p2 is completely dead, which is to be expected I guess, one can't even stir proper drama these days.

I can't add much to that topic, because I've heard it from a third party. I can only say that given who told me that (no incentive for him to spread this if this wasn't true, actual incentive to hide it if it wasn't true imo), it's most likely actually true. And obviously no response from the other side, which also looks bad.

I am not even sure if in the end stars will provide an actual answer to the bettors, I'd assume that's rather a no. Doubt anyone else will say more, I'd rate the chances for this to be true at 80+%

Iv heard smartspin are using it, iv been bumhunting the 500s lobbies for some time now and iv almost never seen 2 smartspin guys playing together, pretty strange eh