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03-09-2018 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkDavis
I have played all the variants of this spin and go game and the one at Party Poker is by far the fairest as far as prizepools go and 888 is second and stars is the worst.

I have compiled lots of stats on the regularity of prizepools to determine this not to mention spent a fortune.

In a nutshell all of these games are a waste of money and a waste of time but it works for the sites because players cant ignore the promise of big prizes which lets be honest don't really exist in numbers.

All the winners of big prizes on 888 and Party are same names all the time which is funny because the chances of hitting the big one are slim and these guys do it all the time and I never see any of these players at my tables when playing the games so are these players just hitting the one in a million at very few attempts.

All I can say to players is avoid these games and save your money for games where there is real cash to be won and this scam will soon be exposed. Like Absolute poker they wont be able to hide forever. AUDIT please UKGC that is your job RIGHT!!!
Genius!
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03-09-2018 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkDavis
I have played all the variants of this spin and go game and the one at Party Poker is by far the fairest as far as prizepools go and 888 is second and stars is the worst.

I have compiled lots of stats on the regularity of prizepools to determine this not to mention spent a fortune.

In a nutshell all of these games are a waste of money and a waste of time but it works for the sites because players cant ignore the promise of big prizes which lets be honest don't really exist in numbers.

All the winners of big prizes on 888 and Party are same names all the time which is funny because the chances of hitting the big one are slim and these guys do it all the time and I never see any of these players at my tables when playing the games so are these players just hitting the one in a million at very few attempts.

All I can say to players is avoid these games and save your money for games where there is real cash to be won and this scam will soon be exposed. Like Absolute poker they wont be able to hide forever. AUDIT please UKGC that is your job RIGHT!!!
All the evidence, sick
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03-09-2018 , 09:02 PM
Hey guys,

I have recently lost a ton of Hand History.
Only thing i know is that one day postgre crushed, then re-installed and when i imported my HH again, i found out that lots of hands were deleted from my HH folder.

Then i downloaded a program and scanned all the deleted files. I found all the tournamets that had been deleted, i retrieved them, but i found out that the text documents didnt have normal language, they were written in chinese or random symbols, which i cannot convert in normal english.

Does anyone ever issued the same problem?
Also, is there any chance that pokerstars can send me my HH?

Thanks
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03-09-2018 , 09:46 PM
Yeap PS can send you all your HHs but not the tournament summaries.
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03-09-2018 , 10:09 PM
I am only interested to have my HH able to be imported on a poker tracker...
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03-10-2018 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SkillVsLuckK
I am only interested to have my HH able to be imported on a poker tracker...
just e-mail them and ask for your HHs for whichever dates you want
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03-10-2018 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkDavis
I have compiled lots of stats on the regularity of prizepools
Ok, go on then Mark Davis, ppl want to see these stats, including the UKGC I guess.
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03-11-2018 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by xPISCIVOROUSx
Yeap PS can send you all your HHs but not the tournament summaries.
Well, you can request the summaries for your last N tournaments using the Tools -> History & Stats -> Tournament History menu in the client. I'm not sure how big the maximum N is; it's not less than 100. Maybe you can only get summaries from the last 30 days of play only. They arrive in your email inbox in the text form, then you can copypaste the summaries into a text file and make PT4 import that file ('from disk').

However, I've encountered a problem with the detection of prize pool sizes when I copypasted all the summaries into a single file - as far as I understand, PT4 assigned the maximum prize pool of the sample to all the tourneys of the same BI in the sample. So, to import the data properly, I'd need to create individual summary files for each of the tourneys (copypasting the data from the email). It's a tedious task unless you outsource it to a low-salary online P.A.

If you only want to find out the frequency of prize pools, though, you can just press Ctrl+F in the browser while viewing the email and count the occurrences of exact $ amounts.

Last edited by coon74; 03-11-2018 at 02:13 PM.
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03-11-2018 , 02:31 PM
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Well, you can request the summaries for your last N tournaments using the Tools -> History & Stats -> Tournament History menu in the client.
Thats only good for the last 200 tourneys.
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03-16-2018 , 02:15 PM
Can someone please clarify difference between " Profit " - " Roi"% - "Spin $EV" - " Spin EVroi " , my actual profit is lot greater than my Spin $EV suggest in quite good sample without any big multiplayer winning / sample (10K) , what could be reason ? is it pure luck and run good? or playing better in bigger multiplayer ? I need to know what to expect when I am on other side. Thanks
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03-16-2018 , 03:45 PM
If your actual profit is a lot greater you were lucky in terms of all in situations and/or multiplier distribution.
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03-16-2018 , 10:49 PM
Profit:Is your net money won/lost is what you have left when you subtract the total of what you have invested in buyins minus the total of what you have cashed in.

ROI%:is the% of profit you get from every dollar you invest in a buyin like if you have a ROI% of 10% that means you generate $0.10 for every $1 you spent in buyins.

EV:Expected Value is the amount of money/chips an action expects to win or lose on average.

Spin $EV:Is the same EV concept as above but adjusted to the Spin&Go structure. Chips have a direct real money value in spin and go because it's a winner take all format. There are no icm considerations.
Personally i would not use Spin $EV as a metric of your game and i would rather use chipEV instead. The reason that $EV adjusted isn't a good metric for spins is because of the multipliers. Chip ev is what people use for spin and go's then you calculate your ev roi based on that assuming an even distribution of multipliers.

Spin EVroi:Same as above, it is your ROI% adjusted to both EV and to the spin&go format structure, is a more accurate measure of your performance in these games.

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my actual profit is lot greater than my Spin $EV suggest in quite good sample without any big multiplayer winning / sample (10K) , what could be reason ? is it pure luck and run good? or playing better in bigger multiplayer ?
running good, thats it.
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03-17-2018 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by xPISCIVOROUSx
Spin $EV:Is the same EV concept as above but adjusted to the Spin&Go structure. Chips have a direct real money value in spin and go because it's a winner take all format. There are no icm considerations.
Personally i would not use Spin $EV as a metric of your game and i would rather use chipEV instead. The reason that $EV adjusted isn't a good metric for spins is because of the multipliers. Chip ev is what people use for spin and go's then you calculate your ev roi based on that assuming an even distribution of multipliers.
This is wrong, or at least confused. Spin $EV removes the multipliers, as compared to the built-in "EV Adjusted" or whatever. It is superior to Chip EV - Spin $EV = Chip EV converted to dollars, now with rake accounted for.
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03-18-2018 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BigFredy007
If your actual profit is a lot greater you were lucky in terms of all in situations and/or multiplier distribution.
Thanks buddy


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Originally Posted by xPISCIVOROUSx
Profit:Is your net money won/lost is what you have left when you subtract the total of what you have invested in buyins minus the total of what you have cashed in.

ROI%:is the% of profit you get from every dollar you invest in a buyin like if you have a ROI% of 10% that means you generate $0.10 for every $1 you spent in buyins.

running good, thats it.
Thanks for explanation ,of course I know my Cev very well ,But asked the question to know what would happen if I get to down swing and what to expect ,cheers .
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03-18-2018 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
This is wrong, or at least confused. Spin $EV removes the multipliers, as compared to the built-in "EV Adjusted" or whatever. It is superior to Chip EV - Spin $EV = Chip EV converted to dollars, now with rake accounted for.
Thanks Dave ,could you please make an example with real number for converting Cev to Dollars (accounting the rake ) ,let's tale 60CEV and any spins buy in would be fine for the example .
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03-18-2018 , 04:54 PM
There's some worked through examples over 4 posts earlier in this thread:

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Originally Posted by frnk93
Hi, can u please help me to calculate $EV in 30s based on chip/ev ? i try to calculate it with this formula.

example if we have 50 chip/ev on 30s for 12 games

chips * games / 500 * 30 or 50 * 12 games = 600/ 500= 1.2 , 1.2*30 = 36$

rake * games or 12 * 1.80 (rake on 30s) = 21.6 $

36$ - 21.6$ = 14.4$ for every 12 games with 50 chip/ev

Its that correct or the formula is wrong ?

Sorry for my english
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Originally Posted by valuecutting
evroi = [ev itm * 3 *(1-rake) - 1]
multiply by total buyin (30*12)

[((550/1500) * 3 * .94) - 1] * (30 * 12) = $12.24
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Originally Posted by frnk93
Hi, ty for answer but i cant understand this in formula

(1-rake) 1-1.8 = 0.8 how u get .94 ?

Mathematic is not from my stronger sides
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
rake percentage, not rake $


6% rake = 0.06
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03-18-2018 , 05:13 PM
Thanks for the quotes, _dave_

I find it interesting that it's apparently still possible to crush poker even without being decent at arithmetic because the latter can be outsourced to SwongSim.
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03-19-2018 , 11:48 AM
I'm considering joining a stable. They require 50k games before you can get out. Is that absurd? It seems to be the best stable out there though IMO. I'm currently making 115~ cev over 2k games at $7s. Would it be a lot more beneficial for me to get coaching lessions instead?
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03-19-2018 , 12:44 PM
Yes, 50k games is absurd. Look around more, there are some other good options out there that don't require such a crazy commitment. I would say maybe a 20-25k commitment is the edge of what's reasonable.
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03-19-2018 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
Yes, 50k games is absurd. Look around more, there are some other good options out there that don't require such a crazy commitment. I would say maybe a 20-25k commitment is the edge of what's reasonable.
I'm mostly 2-3 tabling so we are looking at 2-3 years to get out from there?
Is there no one here doing coaching? :>
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03-19-2018 , 02:18 PM
If they're wanting a 50k game contract, that isn't the best stable
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03-19-2018 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
If they're wanting a 50k game contract, that isn't the best stable
In terms of quality of the coaches, probably is, but yeah, I hear you. I was shocked when I heard they wanted me to play 50k games. Anyone who can PM me a quality stable where you don't have to play that many games?
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03-19-2018 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hesperides
I'm currently making 115~ cev over 2k games at $7s. Would it be a lot more beneficial for me to get coaching lessions instead?
at this point, why do you need anyone else at all?
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03-19-2018 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ohly
at this point, why do you need anyone else at all?
To progress further. What would you do in my shoes?
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03-19-2018 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
There's some worked through examples over 4 posts earlier in this thread:
Thanks Dave
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