I've had this problem too but it was on my end. My modem would randomly 'lose' packets. This also caused me to sit out randomly and lose buyins.

no blind increase is a good idea only for regulars

NBI hypers sounds weird. Fish like fast structure, this would be a bad change imo although our edge would increase

could still just call them hypers and omit the NBI part

If your goal is to get regs to play other regs, there were some good ideas in the thread:

- decrease rake for every rematch (5% up to 75% for example) (myabe only for players who played at least 2000 HUSNGs last month or so)
- get next empty lobby when sit second
- leaderboard where u get more points by playing better players

All these things can be done realtivly easy without changing the lobby structur. Imo this is a very important point because this lobby structure is the best from a fish perspective...

I agree with that. All of a sudden it would make your (small) skilladvantage over others an edge again that would net you money instead that could actually beat the rake.

I really disagree - a guy with a half a pokerbrain and a Nash table can very quickly eliminate all edge one has and turn it into a breakeven match (and therefor losing game for both players) once approaching 10bb which is just very fast.

I'd love to see NBI hypers, or at least a slower blind structure.

Especially when PS turbos are just about exciting as watching the paint dry (slowest turbo structure available online?) and big part of current hypers is <10bb effective stacks, it'd be cool to see something in between.

It wouldn't really make hypers too much slower. They'd still be significantly faster than turbos. I guess some kind of compromise, like only having 10/20 and 15/30 blind levels would be fine too.

if we slow down hypers imo fist step would be making blinds 3minutes not nbi

yeah, this is better idea

i agree

longer game times doesn't really do much good, we just get less games/hr and it doesn't attract new players to the game. Yeah the edge will be greater but I don't think stars really want to start making games where recreational players have less edge/chance of winning/having fun. The fact they're slower might even push people away from them because they prefer a quick gamble/fun etc

This!

I think a discussion about changing the hyper-format is pretty useless. This is by far the most attractive form of HUSNG for fish. Glad Pokerstars knows this

I agree with your post.

I mean, I would've believed you as hypers came out, but the results of top players playing against near top players (and relative top vs decent at most levels) argues against your last sentence quoted above. Evidence points to the sentence being incorrect, and I don't mean anything bad by that, it's just why I disagree with it.

really? You think most top players have significant edges on near top players at 10bb?

If you've seen a couple graphs of top players crushing at 10bb I'd argue that it's more likely to be variance (even if it's an ev graph) than anything else since luck at those stacks can make any player seem like a complete crusher, and likely will do so for a decent number of players.

The current structure of HT's is pretty good.

One of the most attractive aspects of the game is that even if the fish/recreational player gets outplayed 12bb+ they still have a fighting chance to win the match with a couple of allins.

This keeps them interested and coming back.

If you want to play with NBI you can always play HU cash.

If you want slower BI's you can play reg speed or turbos.

yeah lol just cash in in HUNL with 20bbs and boom there you go NBI vs regs

just deal with it guys, the only possibility to fix it is rake decreasing but it wont happen until serkules becomes a rakebackpro

No, I meant the edge in hyper turbos between good players is more real than detractors will have you believe.

I took his comment to mean that hyper turbos have no real edge between good players, and I think the evidence we've seen makes that false.

I know he mentioned 10bb, but I think he meant that the 10bb area makes it so that hypers have small edge, otherwise why would it be fully relevant to mention that just one part of the game has a small-no edge between regulars? You have to discuss the entire game, which evidence suggests that there is a real edge, even with rake, between many regulars over other regs.

And I'm not saying that I know all, my opinion of the success of many regs over other regs leads me to believe this is true. If someone doesn't believe it, that's fine, but I think the reasoning should be more solid than pointing out that one aspect of the game can be low to no edge.

Hello all,

Sorry for the inactivity in the thread the last few weeks, here are some comments on a few issues and suggestions you made since the last time I posted.

This is an interesting suggestion and certainly something worth considering. I'd be interested in hearing what the rest of you think of this and if there are other suggestions, I welcome those too.

We are not going to get involved in a solution that requires tagging players as recs or regs. It is inappropriate for our poker room to be labelling players this way.

Happy hours are one of the promotions we are considering for Sit & Gos, and one of the details we will have to work out would be whether to run special Happy Hour promotions for HU S&Gs.

We are not looking to add a new variety of HU tournaments at this time.

Thanks,
Baard

I think most people that have posted on this topic are interested in an in built "session manager"/queuing system as it removes the need to buy 3rd party programs to gain equal access to new lobbies. Previously the guys who had better connections/were closer to Stars' servers had a distinct advantage over the rest of the field in that they could see and register for new lobbies much quicker. If Stars came up with a way to give everyone equal access to the new lobbies, or they simply implemented an in built hidden queue system similar to Sharkystrator, then I would be all for it.

The suggestions for sitting second and then gaining the next lobby/going to the front of the queue also seem to be well liked although personally I think it could get a little messy. Beyond actually having to design it, I imagine it would also mean another pop-up after registering, something about do you want to play another and go to the front of the queue. A lot of us find the pop ups annoying, and beyond that I think for recreational players there is a risk of confusion.

Further to this, I can potentially see that if there are 2 or 3 regs who 4 table one stake, then they could literally take every open lobby for hours at a time, while a few other guys who maybe aren't up to playing reg battles that session will wait enormous lengths of time, probably just to get sat by a reg anyways. People seem to think encouraging this level of reg on reg action is necessary, but I'm not 100% convinced it is, and I think this particular suggestion will just lead to a lot of spite sitting, and a case of which reg can run the hottest.

Having said that, there are a number of regs I already sit anyways, so I'm more than happy to adjust if the change is brought in. It's also worth noting that the situation at $30s is different from the situation at $200s, where games run less frequently and the lobby is worth a lot more.

Understandable.

However, you could use something like number of games played in a month or VIP level as a measurement, for instance create a leaderboard that solely counts games played between SuperNova's.

PS not wanting to give tags to recs and regs in order to force action between a specific player type is actually a good thing for us.

What if they didn't take this stance and decided to take things a step further and develop a system where supernovas can only play supernovas and goldstars can only play gold stars. What then?

I love PS a lot and think they are doing a great ****ing job, I liked a lot of ideas at the start of this thread but the suggestions being posted recently keep getting more ridiculous and complicated.

Now that sharky's working great I just hope that stars keeps everything as is, except for maybe adding obvious stuff that benefits us all like an lb or happy hour...etc

i agree with all this. the lack of getting stuff done from this thread has caused weirder n weirder suggestions.

the obvious solutions to keep ppl happy would be the simplest ones. Leaderboards , happy hours ..anything that will get someone who doesnt play hu sngs to play hu sngs

I would be happy with:
-leaderboards - it would improve the current lobby system
-add an other table - not sure why stars doesnt implement this as it would result in more
games, esp. in higher stakes, meaning more rake for them
-fixing the rematch window - when someone declines a rematch by clicking the x button and not the decline you have to wait 15 seconds plus some extra added time before u can close it, not to mention it steals attention

Add another table at the 60s Hypers at least!

When we click "Show Hand", could you make it for the hand to stay more than 0,2 sec? Seriously, people can't see the hand at all. Just try it it's impossible to see the hand the guy showed without having to go in the replayer. That's with Hyperturbos.

Thing i want more before any changes. if tilt had stars volume id leave in a second purely for that feature