+1 more lobbies

More lobbies = Longer wait times. This is neither good for PokerStars or regs so NO THANKS!

I think this pretty much covers every point on the issue. No one against more lobbies gives any true explanation of their reasoning. It is frustrating too because I know a vast majority of players hate the current lobby system and would like it changed. I guess most of them either don't post on 2+2 or are afraid to speak up about it on here though.

This

combined with things like this;

(unknowns or people with low posts who aren't even known on the forum and don't want to admit their screen name (so might be 1.5$ regs who are clueless) )

and poor reasoning probably skews it and makes it look like some want it some don't want it.

But i think if you look at the arguments, I'm sure it leans towards more lobbies.

**Disclaimer** Im not preaching for unlimited per se or turbos/reg speeds.

But if you have a viewpoint and want to be heard, then at least provide solid arguments.

Aside from Skaiwalkurrr and perhaps Siervos and Harthor no-one else should be against at least 2 more lobbies. After all they are the ones doing all our dirty work now. If you are so scared that there are too many regs, then hunt some yourself, in stead of arguing for a less then optimal solution for everyone, because then you need less people putting in their time to "police the lobbys" for you.

More lobbies = More choice.

Recreational players can choose better which "presumed regular" they want to play, or even attempt to opensit, which is impossible for them now.

You don't get annoyed with registering simultaneously with regs because you chose to sit him (in reality u were 0.1second later in regging then him)

And people who don't want to sit certain regs can avoid em.

Imagine i want to not play chadders0 at 200s because we are friendly and we think theres little point in it.
Right now i have some games vs chadders because of same time regs.
Imagine there are more / unlimited lobbies, i can CHOOSE to avoid chadders as he does to avoid me. While if for example fartojop opensits a lobby under me i can CHOOSE again to sit him.

Everyone who knows me, knows I'm definitely not a bum hunter, but i do like free choice and the ability to make ur own decisions. That includes deciding if i am gonna play a session where i sit regs today, or take it easy and get in some games against recreational players.

Allow me to make this decision for myself pokerstars.
after all, by allowing me to do so, IF i opt for a day of just grind vs recreationals, then if some reg who dislikes me CHOOSES to hunt me, he can still sit me and play me (UNLIKE HU CASH!!!)

And if you say more lobbies might favor bum hunters too much (compared to 2) , then really explain to me how all bum hunters have the nut nut solid stats right now?
While players who might be better like harthor have sick swings?

Maybe you should compare all the HU total profit leaderboards between FTP and Stars when they were both running before you make such an uninformed statement. Actually I'll save you time and tell you that they were predominately FTP players. This was with less then half the total players that Stars had and was the mostly the case even before the addition of superturbos.

Also for the people that say there are more regs now so less fish per reg kinda estimations (which i think are guessing at best, and definitely far more unproven then the fact that bum hunters have the best stats right now.) keep in mind that yes there are more regs, yes less people are clueless compared to ftp times.

But yes there is a WAY larger player pool active on stars nowadays compared to when they had more serious competition and everything was a bit more spread out over sites.

If Pokerstars implemented more lobbies it would be a disaster, right now at the hu hypers there are only 3 games running at the +$300 level and 6 total lobbies with 6 regs waiting for a game. Could u imagine what the wait times would be if there were +20 lobbies with +20 regs waiting for a game?

Why is he (stars rep) avoiding the promotion/leaderboard issue and questions?

80% of the player pool is european, its 4 in the morning in europe. right now.
Do you think recreational players (who probably have jobs if they aren't winners and are playing 300$+) gamble at 4 in the morning? or at 18:00 when they get home from their jobs?

The only thing more lobbies would do is remove the "i can snatch a lobby quickest-skill" from poker and most likely increase all regs their ROI.

Imagine everyone has the same quickness to register, or uses the same auto reg program, then the amount of lobbies available becomes irrelevant.

if there was 2 lobbies or 20 , for 20 waiting regs the only difference would be that people won't sit same time with as many regs as they would do with 2 lobbies. If everyone regged equally fast.

I fail to see how thats a disaster.
The thing u perceive as a disaster tho is more likely something along the lines of, if there are more lobbies available my volume might decline because I'm really quick at registering, and i will have to share my fish more with other regs, and the guys who do hunt the weak regs right now won't be able to hunt em all anymore, so i might have to hunt some weaker regs myself.

If thats a disaster to you, then it just illustrates in a genius way how imperfect the current system is.

Also plz answer my question about bum hunters?

This is exactly my point if there were more lobbies it would be impossible to put in any volume at all at the higher stakes during off peak hours and it will also decrease the avg regs games per hr during peak hours. Yes our roi will go up but our hourly will go down thats why I and many other regs do not support this at all and as more regs enter the game this will become an even larger problem.

Oh yeah and excuse me for not having thousands of posts on 2+2 I wasn't aware that was a requirement in order to voice my opinion.

but now if u have 20 regs waiting for 2 lobbies, and u are the slowest registerer out of all of em (for example) even if its just a few milliseconds

you can grind an entire day and have all games vs regs or have played no games because every time someone beat you to it.

In other words, the slowest regger puts in either 0 games, or 100% simulsits how is that better then, Oh theres not much action at highest stakes available at off peak hours?
its called peak hours for a reason.

Also keep in mind, off peak hours theres also WAY less regs online.
I know for a fact i make more money at off peak hours, wow that seems counterintuitive right?
It does but its simply a result of playing less games vs regs, and the games i do get are 100% fish at off peak hours. while at peak hours i wouldn't be surprised if its between 15-30% regs. Actually, i might count my lifetime opponents on stars over 17K games and see how many where vs regs.

having played all stakes in sts, and having spent a lot of time thinking about the subject before speaking up, i suggest the following ;

2 lobbies at 1Ks
3 lobbies at 500s
4 lobbies at 300s
and 6 lobbies for everything below.

The truth is, its hard to do best for everyone, some people will always be displeased. However its obvious a lot of people would also prefer more lobbies some even infinite.

So why not take the middle road here. I think keeping things as they are because half the people say so is an unfair approach.
So why not change it SOME? and trying to take a middling road, not unlimited, but not 2 either, and in a way that high stakes are still HIGH stakes and worth battling over, and for example 100$ games are more easily sitable with less simulsats.

This current system has been around and worked on PokerStars long before you and I were even regs and I am tired of hearing about what "worked on FTP" PokerStars does not need to be like FTP.

Also why do you want to have a higher roi but avg less games per hour? Hourly is what matters not roi and right now during peak hrs the max wait time for a hu hyper is ~3 minutes for all levels and players are putting in more volume then ever before.

PokerStars said they are not changing the lobby system and many people agree with this decision if it isn't broke don't fix it. There is obviously not a general consensus regarding this and it would be a the most controversial decision ever made in husng history if they deviated from a system that has worked ever since husngs came into existence on the site.

I somehow doubt the vast majority of husng players on Stars hate the current lobby system. I'd be more confident in saying the opposite.

I mean really, answer the concerns i bring up?

Because you just go from oh we don't want it to turn into HU cash
i say its like hu cash, bum hunters make most money
and u just ignore it and spew other random things like ohhh stop talking about ftp

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perhaps, we will never know of course.

In this thread are maybe the opinion of 10-20 regular players.
Im sure if the fish could opensit they would be happy with it tho.
Assuming they are some of the slowest reggers. And overall there is probably 90% of players who are fish at husngs and tops 10% who are decent.
So im not so sure of ur statement, but perhaps ur right, i don't know either.

Thats why i suggested a middling path, something that everyone can feel somewhat happy about.

Its just absurdly tilting to see so many people not give any decent arguments at all, and while disguising themselves as good regs who like the regly competition, they are actually the biggest bum hunters and support a system that benefits themselves only.

Do you agree that the system as it is, is most beneficial to those that
A) reg the quickest and avoid regs while letting other regs battle it out for the lobbies

or

B) The best poker players, who try and protect the lobbies and sit the weak regs actively?

I and many other players do not want to sit down to play a game and have to wait over 10 minutes for one to start. The ONLY reason you and other regs prefer the other system is because u guys want to spam sit 4-8 lobbies at a time and it is hard to grab open lobbies while playing that many tables with the current lobby system. For us who 1-2 table (who are the majority of players at the site) we wait for a lobby to clear then sit after we sit we only have to wait a short while for a game to start and this works we are able to put in massive volume without having to be some sort of mass tabling robot.

The only problem with the current system is the amount of same time sits which isn't really that big of a deal because they only account for ~15% of total games and if you are any good playing regs this won't be a huge issue.

Also what you are saying doesn't make any sense at all, how the heck does the current system favor bumhunting, wouldn't a system with a bunch of regs sitting in a long line all waiting for a fish to come and join them while only a few games running more favor bum hunting??????

Ive explained it in pretty much all my posts.
I don't want to publicly call out people who avoid the weaker regs, imo they are just the smart ones. And doing nothing wrong.
But compare some graphs from the people ATT mentioned like harthor and siervos with some people who are "less known" for hunting weaker regs, and its pretty black on white fact to see which are favored by the current system, the bum hunters or harthor, especially given how much credit harthor (justifiably so) gets for his game.

I feel like I'm starting to repeat myself and you just continue to deflect, not that rare for an internet discussion but very pointless at least, so until u come up with real arguments I'm not gonna respond to you anymore.

Anyone with half a brain can see that your real intentions is just to spam sit a bunch of lobbies at once and its hard for you to do that with the current lobby system. You don't care whether or not the new system would be very bad for husngs long-term, 90% of players don't play +4 hu tables at once and will average less games per hour, most recreational players do not like seeing +10 players waiting in line and PokerStars as a site will average less games per hour so the new system would hurt their bottom line even after the EXPLICITLY stated that they will only consider changes that would be mutually beneficial for regs and Stars.

The new system will only benefit a select few and I am done responding to you regarding this subject, your arguments on why we should deviate from the current system are laughable. You want a lobby system that supports longer wait times and more players waiting in line because "you are admittedly against bum hunting and the current system supports bumhunting?"

Yeah OK.

Current system can only ever be considererd a "problem" at 100s to 300s (maybe even 500s) from what I can see. Imo the above option is the best of both worlds- when it actually rewards regs to war with weaker regs to protect their lobbies, rather than reward the fastest reggers.

Fastcolt- I agree with a lot of your points, but also imho you should think about the future.

There will always be more regs moving up, and action is always drying- that's the nature of the game. Soon you probably will think 4 lobbies isn't enough etc etc etc. And when you add more and more lobbies, the bum hunters will be protected in their numbers. When there are like 10 bumhunters sitting the 10 allowed lobbies e.g., who is going to be the reg that tries to kick one of them out? Think about the risk/reward ratio as no. of regs/bumhunters increase. I know you moved up from 50s on ftp ages ago, but iirc it was **** in March 2011 with long queues. I mean- if you want to take up the lobbies you needed to like 10 table 10 different bumhunters. And is that worth it at the 50s? +1 again for the above "auto-take next lobby" option (at the expense of ppl like Skaiwalkurrr and Serkules).

I know you said the current system is best for ppl like Skaiwalkurrr at the 1ks, but if you foresee the future in poker, imho 1 or 2 lobbies is best as there can actually be a +EV reason for regs to hunt regfish.

Also I admit to being a 30s reg so please don't flame me for discussing higher stakes problems

I vote for keeping the lobby system the way it is. Not because I think it's "best for the game" or whatever, but because I'm a ****ing boss at monitoring the lobby and getting games quick. Plz to be not taking away the edge I have on other regs!

I do want to point out though that it doesn't matter what type of lobby system is used, those regs who are best at policing the lobbies (whether by pure effort or by AHK) will always have a significant edge over those who aren't. Imagine if all stake levels had unlimited lobbies. Certain fish would choose to sit the open lobby rather than playing an already sitting reg. So whoever is the first to notice that fish is sitting will reap the benefits. I'd just write myself a script to observe every lobby that exists, and whenever a fish sits, snap sit him.

Cliffs: If you're playing HUSNGs for a living, you should have a program to help find games for you, no matter what the lobby system is. If you don't then you're passing on a significant chunk of your hourly.

Edit: but I do like this idea of being allowed the option to take the next lobby if you register a split second after the first person. Would reduce chops.

+1 I also support the option to be able to sit the next available lobby if u sit 2nd its only fair and would reward the hard working individuals who police the lobby.

Finally someone who is not afraid to speak the truth (or get flamed by fastcolt lol). I agree with your cliffs but don't think it's right. Though I suppose you can't complain being a poker player, as imo what we do is already borderline shady/daylight robbery. I mean, do we even deserve the money we win? We are fortunate to be in our current situation already making good money (maybe not so in my case) playing a card game.

So an edge is an edge no matter how we get it (and it seems it's the regs who lose out the most, i.e. slowest reggers who are the "better regs" who complain the most). Surprise surprise, poker players look out for number one. Adapt or lose out imo.

While I admittedly do not have a huge circle of poker friends, the ones that I do talk to hate it. I know drooler does not want to hear anymore about FTP
(because a nearly identical example in history obv means nothing) but I can't recall one single person ever suggest there should be less lobbies there. The last I knew Merge (with im guessing a much higher reg to rec player ratio) had regenerating lobbies and I have yet to hear anyone complain about that. It would also seem like anyone pushing for a chop button is essentially complaining about the Stars lobby system. I would suggest an anonymous poll but the opinion of 2+2 definitely does not reflect the opinion of the community as a whole.

Because when FTP was around, people that hated unlimited lobbies at the high stakes could just go play Stars.