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02-16-2012 , 06:43 AM
leaderboard ... need motivation
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02-16-2012 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeeyay
I think chop button is predatory and against the spirit of the game. Instead make it more clear that Stars does not allow deals and will not enforce them.
+11111
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Originally Posted by ohly
unless you want to widen your player pool to non-human beings, there is absolutely no reason to have the rematch window be open 30 seconds, it only serves for slowroll-declining.
Yes, it shouldn't be more than 10 seconds. It's very annoying, especially when one wants to finish making a note.
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02-16-2012 , 06:58 AM
First of all i think that we need promotions and leaderboards. That will atract more recreational players, more games , more rake for stars so this is win win situation.
I don't see a point in making more lobbies, if now is a lobby open a reg will sit in it , if there are 5 lobbies 5 regs will sit on them and this is not good for the game.
I believe that a chop button is ok, and Cog made a valid point , no more threads like: ,, x said we would chop and never send''.
Add another table is, once again, a win win situation for both players and stars, more games , more rake.
I personally think that leaderboards and add another table are > then decrease rake.
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02-16-2012 , 07:00 AM
I was wondering... can we request more HUMTT games by this? Or HUSNG with more than 32 players but it will take a lot of time to get full because they are only at SNG lobby I think.

I want this because there is only ONE $22 tournament a day for players in different time zoens. Other games are regular $10,50 Knockout which is with cappet with only 256 people. There are 3 winner takes all, with $2/$5/$11 which is ok IMO. There is one $215 a day which obv is expensive because in this plays about 12 players every day. And some kind of ~$100ish but they are not ok for Europeans because they are too early.

So you can see the difference between $22 and $215! There is no HUMTT with 30-50-75 at all and normal starting time like 18:00/19:00 GMT. The structure in $22 turbo is ok for humtt.

My request is for only one or two more HUMTTs a day with structure like $22 turbo or a little slower and buy-in with 22-50$ for example. Maybe the best option will be to lower the BI for the daily $215 at around 17:15 CET and add one more later.

Thanks for reading this.
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02-16-2012 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bighusla
Because we need to keep the lobbies moving having like 10 regs waiting in line isn't good for business, when the lobbies are stagnant we all play less games per hr and Pokerstars makes less money from rake. I hope Pokerstars begins to encourage more reg on reg play by lowering the rake a bit and make it possible for regs to actually sit one another and beat the rake.
So you support this system because it is bad for players and good for pokerstars profitability?

What is they do not lower rake like you recommend, would you still support it?
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02-16-2012 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSide11
So you support this system because it is bad for players and good for pokerstars profitability?
I dont wanna see more lobbys. you prefer 5 lobbys right?
Ok 5 regs waiting for a fish and would not play against other regs.
But if there are more then 5 regs you still have the same problem with not enough lobbys...

If you wanna...
...improve the edge against other regs - lower the rake.
...motivate grinders - offer a leaderboard
...win new players - offer more pormotions
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02-16-2012 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by chaosad
I dont wanna see more lobbys. you prefer 5 lobbys right?
Ok 5 regs waiting for a fish and would not play against other regs.
But if there are more then 5 regs you still have the same problem with not enough lobbys...
I do not see problems with the old system where they had unlimited tables
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02-16-2012 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Cog Dissonance
I never heard of any complaints about the chop button on FTP and I hope Stars introduce it.

Half the threads that make poker look shady are "X said he would chop and ripped me off".

It's just bad publicity for poker and the site.

Saying no chops is not the solution, once the rake is paid, the money belongs to the players, and they should be able to chop their own money if it suits them.
+1

Anything to prevent ppl from getting scammed.
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02-16-2012 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cog Dissonance
I never heard of any complaints about the chop button on FTP and I hope Stars introduce it.

Half the threads that make poker look shady are "X said he would chop and ripped me off".

It's just bad publicity for poker and the site.

Saying no chops is not the solution, once the rake is paid, the money belongs to the players, and they should be able to chop their own money if it suits them.
This!
And a leaderboard / more promoss please

Has there ever been a single HUSNG promo? I can't remember one.
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02-16-2012 , 09:48 AM
A monthly freeroll like BoP would probably be good for HUsngs if it was a HUMTT. I can imagine some epic battles happening.

Chop button is no brainer for everyone including stars.
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02-16-2012 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Maso777
When the match finishes the rematch box steals focus and prevents you from returning to the table.

I'm often writing a note and it gets cut off. It is really frustrating.

If you select the option to keep finished tournaments open you get a chance to finish the note if the person declines the rematch (but often have to wait if they run down the time rather than make a decision.)

Could you change it so you can still access the chat/notes while the rematch option is open
+1 to this and to more promos

and +a mirrion to chop/make a deal button
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02-16-2012 , 11:01 AM
Any love for a ladder-style leaderboard? i.e. points won/lost are based on the relative leaderboard standings of the two players.
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02-16-2012 , 12:14 PM
1) Higher buy-ins for Triple Draw, Razz, etc.
2) Why on Earth is there no $60 Razz turbo?
3) More fixed limit structures should be like Badugi - 10/20 is barely useful in Turbos and downright painful in regspeeds.
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02-16-2012 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ShaneO19
I really do not understand this logic so if someone could please explain it to me I would happily change my opinion. If there are 20 regs all wanting to play at the same time (I think thats way overestimating it) then how exactly does having only 2 sit at once decrease overall wait times? If there are 20 regs all wanting to sit and wait then there are 20 regs wanting to sit and wait whether there is 1 lobby or infinite lobbies. Of course the games get filled faster once you are actually in the lobby but that does not factor the time spent staring at the lobby when you have 0% chance of playing. I guess if you are especially fast at registering or have a program to take advantage of the system (which is ridiculous) then overall wait times are probably shorter but there will always be others on the other side of that. FWIW I only get to play 10-12 days a month now and have been mostly playing on other sites so it isn't even that big of a concern to me personally.
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Originally Posted by bighusla
Its because the more lobbies there are the less likely it is that a recreational player will sit your specific lobby. Also it looks very predatory to have like 5 lobbies on each level filled with 5 regs waiting for a recreational player to sit.
I tried explaining why I do not believe this is correct overall. Is there anything specific in my explanation that is wrong or doesn't make sense? The biggest misconception that people have IMO is thinking they can always be waiting in a lobby.
Obv nothing personal btw, I know we both want whats best for everyone.
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02-16-2012 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Vempele
1) Higher buy-ins for Triple Draw, Razz, etc.
2) Why on Earth is there no $60 Razz turbo?
3) More fixed limit structures should be like Badugi - 10/20 is barely useful in Turbos and downright painful in regspeeds.
I used to hate the 10/20 level when I started playing limit but now I love it. Slower structure = bigger edge with lower BR requirements and less variance. What's not to like? I could see a case for introducing a double turbo though.

+1 to your other points
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02-16-2012 , 06:21 PM
Please keep the lobbies the way they are right now. I don't want to see 30 people seated on their own table waiting for a fish to come along.

The hu cash lobbies are terrible, I'm amazed some sng players want to go in that direction.
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02-16-2012 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Maso777
Please keep the lobbies the way they are right now. I don't want to see 30 people seated on their own table waiting for a fish to come along.

The hu cash lobbies are terrible, I'm amazed some sng players want to go in that direction.
100% this
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02-16-2012 , 06:46 PM
The second level accounts for a sixth of my edge (it's also the only level FPDB will show stats for) so the first level must have a minuscule impact.

Last edited by Vempele; 02-16-2012 at 07:03 PM.
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02-16-2012 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Vempele
The second level accounts for a sixth of my edge (it's also the only level FPDB will show stats for) so the first level must have a minuscule impact.
I have to say I don't understand how that's calculated, but I'm kind of suspicious of what it's telling us. Like, if you routinely reach 50/100 with a 2:1 lead, you're going to close out most of the time so it looks like that level contributes the most to your win rate, but that only happens because of the position you put yourself in during the earlier levels. Also a hidden benefit of the first level is that you already have pretty extensive reads by the time the swings start to be significant relative to stacks. Granted that's more of a factor in say, LHE than in TD where there isn't so much read-based stuff you can do.
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02-16-2012 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Maso777
Please keep the lobbies the way they are right now. I don't want to see 30 people seated on their own table waiting for a fish to come along.

The hu cash lobbies are terrible, I'm amazed some sng players want to go in that direction.
QFT
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02-16-2012 , 07:42 PM
More lobbies doesn't necessarily mean it would be like hu cash. People cant deny action in sngs.
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02-16-2012 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Maso777
Please keep the lobbies the way they are right now. I don't want to see 30 people seated on their own table waiting for a fish to come along.

The hu cash lobbies are terrible, I'm amazed some sng players want to go in that direction.
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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02-16-2012 , 07:59 PM
Please do not put in more lobbies, you had done this for a day before and it was HORRIBLE!
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02-16-2012 , 11:19 PM
they could change the payout structure at the 4man husng´s, like it used to be on full tilt where the runner up gets a share of the prizepool too.
and also supporting a discuss a deal button.
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02-17-2012 , 03:23 AM
^ that wasnt the case with FT 4mans, I think the 8mans did that tho.

Id just be happy if they fixed the lag, the add a table button does sound nice though.
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