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04-03-2012 , 08:06 PM
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04-04-2012 , 05:44 AM
first thread was started on 01-14-2012
now we have 04-04-2012 and not even small bugs or small things have changed.

it looks like husng player are worthless for pokerstars
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04-04-2012 , 08:00 AM
Stars
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04-04-2012 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by chaosad
first thread was started on 01-14-2012
now we have 04-04-2012 and not even small bugs or small things have changed.

it looks like husng player are worthless for pokerstars
LOL! They added PLO hypers!!!!1111

I hope FTP will back soon. I mean all those little things like soft, stakes, new features etc etc were soooooooo good. It was always a secret for me why Stars couldnt implement such a small improvements like equal buy-ins and stakes for different games etc etc =\
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04-04-2012 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by nwDanon
LOL! They added PLO hypers!!!!1111
I hope this is a joke because this isnt a improvement
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04-04-2012 , 02:07 PM
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04-06-2012 , 11:23 AM
Here is an idea that I think would come handy for many players: implement a wallet system for the cashier. A player could create several wallets for his cashier and split his money among the wallets as he pleases.
The wallets could be labelled according to their purpose.

Ex 1: when going on a staking deal, instead of withdrawing my money and deposit the backer's money to "start clean" I would simple create a new wallet labelled "staking" and deposit there.

Ex 2: create a wallet for "shot taking" where I would transfer 10BIs for shot taking at a given stake. I think this would encourage people to take shots more often (thereby increasing rake generation!) since it provides an easier way to stop loss.

I think people would come up with further uses.

PS: I think software wise this would be very easy to implement since PokerStars already creates a sort of wallet when you play games in a different currency (euros for example).
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04-06-2012 , 03:58 PM
Love the wallet idea. I proposed some sort of staking system built into a poker room a few years ago on these boards, but it was hardly a new idea (I'm sure many proposed that before me too in some form).

I think the main hurdle for poker rooms is regulators. They often have rules that prevent that sort of thing I believe.

Though recently I want to say an Ongame or Ipoker skin unveiled a built in staking system. Seems like a good way to get winning players to put their bankrolls to work more than they currently are, to increase action and interest in the game.

Some of the casino sites like Bodog will probably not like it, but for sites like PokerStars that actually embrace winning players (and understand that one big winning Serkules type guy brings interest to the games that draws many, many depositing players that don't just print profit), this could be a great idea.

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 04-06-2012 at 06:08 PM.
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04-06-2012 , 04:23 PM
+1 love the "wallets" idea.
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04-07-2012 , 03:28 AM
there is potential in that idea but I think it need a lot more thinking about it and how it can be done to be perfect
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04-10-2012 , 08:39 AM
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04-10-2012 , 04:02 PM
what a joke...lobbies lag like ****, 0 improvements and they dont even answer. cmon ftp, one time!
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04-10-2012 , 04:05 PM
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Yup, thread is a huge letdown. Thought Stars actually cared for a second.



#LEGGOTEAMTAPIE

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 04-10-2012 at 11:54 PM. Reason: OT Spoilered
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04-10-2012 , 04:38 PM
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It has been about two months, and obviously people are frustrated here, but I'll see if we can get some updates this week from PokerStars.

There's nothing to do but be patient, on the bright side, PokerStars is still far ahead of most other rooms with heads up sng offerings. We'll also begin to push some of those other rooms (particularly ones with husng action above the $30 level) to have some better player policies (rake and structure to begin with) in the near future.

I can't believe anybody would talk positive about FTP though, seriously? I think we see why the games were as soft as they were now (120 mil in fictional money in the pool anybody? Huge money for red pros to play, etc.).

They had a nice leaderboard, but I would bet Stars adds one this year (no inside info, just a guess based on this thread), and besides, FTP wasn't even solvent when they offered the leaderboard, so none of it really matters all that much right? Like, it doesn't matter if you run a great cash register at your store, if all your goods are stolen or won't hold up long term, I don't want them.

Or, it doesn't matter if you're a good babysitter, if you're pooping your pants you're not babysitting my kids!

Piss poor analogies due to short time, but I think you get the point, whatever gripes we have about Stars, it pales in comparison to the now public actions of FTP over the last few years, and Stars still holds up quite favorable compared to current competition (in the heads up sng department, not sure about other games).

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 04-10-2012 at 11:53 PM. Reason: OT Spoilered
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04-10-2012 , 05:24 PM
+1, I think more patience is required for Stars to possibly implement many of the changes suggested itt. I've been a follower/poster of the main "stars improvement megathread" - and a huge number of player-suggested improvements have been implemented over the four years that thread has been going. (but massive lol at the suggestions in the actual OP of that thread, and the timescale to them being implemented!). PokerStars is a giant, they move very slowly a lot of the time, and take much greater care not to get things badly wrong (recent cash vpp changes excepted, but I can't feel too much for that - oh now cash players have only a slightly better to similar deal than tournament players? how terrible!)

I think people saying "Can't wait for FTP2 omg" must be bluffing complete air. or maybe runner-runner at best. I will be happy to get my stolen monies back (if that ever happens), but they got massive work to do before I trust them in higher regard than cake/lock/pokerspot etc. Although saying that, I'll likely bonuswhore FTP2 whereas I wouldn't on those other sites, mainly since I already have an FTP account I guess.
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04-10-2012 , 07:56 PM
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My post was supposed to be a level

But either way, nobody is propping up FTP's actions. Their software development team does deserve credit though. IMO, FTP's software 1 year ago is still better than PS's 2012 software.

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Originally Posted by _dave_
I think people saying "Can't wait for FTP2 omg" must be bluffing complete air. or maybe runner-runner at best. I will be happy to get my stolen monies back (if that ever happens), but they got massive work to do before I trust them in higher regard than cake/lock/pokerspot etc. Although saying that, I'll likely bonuswhore FTP2 whereas I wouldn't on those other sites, mainly since I already have an FTP account I guess.
Meh, not the right thread to discuss this, but keep in mind FTP2 will be run by new management. FTP1's actions shouldn't really have any bearing on your perception of FTP2's future management skills. Also, at this point, FTP is more likely to come back than not, so gtfo with that runner-runner talk .

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 04-10-2012 at 11:54 PM. Reason: OT Spoilered
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04-10-2012 , 10:53 PM
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Sure their software developers did a fine job, but I'm sure every other poker room is waiting to show you what they could do if they could give their players a free 100 million dollars to play on their site.

When companies encounter shortfalls or low growth periods due to seizures or processor issues, they usually have to make cuts and scale back to make up that shortfall. FTP decided instead to pretend that they had processed funds/pretend they had made up shortfalls, right?

What I mean by that, is what would their software team look like if they had actually covered their losses, only gave funds to charged deposits and segregated player funds? Maybe take it one step further and talk about marketing being cut, which would lead to the same thing (lower revenue, smaller room, smaller budget).

I always liked Stars software and many players report it's improved post black friday. Even if FTP was #1 in software and Stars were #2 before, isn't it more impressive to have built that software and larger playerbase all while actually holding the player funds entrusted to you?

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 04-10-2012 at 11:54 PM. Reason: OT Spoilered
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04-14-2012 , 03:57 AM
We all knew that changes and improvements need time and can not be installed in a few weeks but some more infos should be possible.

maybe a list what features are good and comes into the todo list by PokerStars. At the moment we have only a lot of ideas but no responds for most.

how ever, again push ...
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04-14-2012 , 06:41 AM
One thing that was done by Stars and this community can appreciate is implementing 3 HU tourneys in this year's SCOOP. That's great!
I think that they really can add some HU MTTs to the regular schedule. Mainly HU hyper MTT's which will attract a lot of players and won't take too long. My suggestion will be that everybody will start as regulary with 500chips, blinds will be the same, but the levels will change every 3minutes (not 2). That way it will be slightly slower and we can actually see if slower blind levels might be the way to go in the future.
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04-14-2012 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JSpazz
+++++ Unregister from HUSNGs when disconnected, side benefit is this should get rid of a lot of bjoerni/plauzee type stuff and make it easier to add 10k+ games
+ make disconnected player sit out after a few minutes
+ chop checkbox (available immediately obv else its pretty much useless)
+ cut down rematch time to 5-10 sec
+ add another table checkbox (dont make it stand out too much tho)
+ ftp type leaderboard. you could make it like 1 point for hypers, 3 points for turbos, 5 points for regspeeds. hypers go fast anyway while the rest of the game speeds wouldn't mind some extra players
+ ChiRy's suggestion of a rake cut if two regs sit each other, with a player pool getting more polarized in skill you should make some extra incentive to have regs hunt each other and generate rake outside fish matchups
+ kill the NBIs (at least the 200bb ones) and replace them with deep stack HUSNGs like on ftp/ipoker. I really doubt most fish are interested in 2-3 hours matches and good regs don't play them coz hourly is ****. not to mention that the rake they contribute must be pretty tiny compared to other formats
+ slow down hypers a bit, maybe 3min levels I'm still for this but only at high stakes, low stakes are still very healthy and it would be a good way to try out a 3min structure
+ 25bb structure in hu hyper mtts, add more normal speed hu mtts. I think it would be good to make some sort of monthly 1k buyin hu mtt, it could bring more exposure to hu
+ make some promotion w a top husng reg like the isildur showdown, that could bring fishes new to poker in general
quoted all the things that still need improving
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04-14-2012 , 09:49 AM
Tbh the hyper structure should not be changed in any way, only in MTTs (1000 chips + antes is really bad)
50 bb hypers could coexist with 25bb and be called something like deep stack hypers imo
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04-14-2012 , 10:46 AM
It's about time for a HUSNG Promotion at Stars.
There are tons of possibilities, e.g. Reload which can only be cleared with HUSNGs, a Leaderboard, Days without rake, ...
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04-15-2012 , 01:40 AM
21 match rake discounts.

Lock into a 21 match game with your opponent and get a rake discount.

The advantage for PokerStars would be two players playing each other longer than they normally would. Players would have incentive to do this by having lower per game rake for those 21 games (not sure what the number should be, 20-50% range?).

You could call it Heads Up 21, or The 21 Heads Up Challenge.

It might be particularly helpful as a way of providing an immediate heads up challenge for two players. There are often heads up 4 rollz challenges here, and they are basically just challenges between two competing regulars. With a rake discount and locked in sets of games, regs could battle faster without having to hash things out on a forum, set up a time, an amount of games, etc. Battle 21 games, want to do it again? Do another set.

Highlighting these games in a noticeable color might promote railing too (especially if spectators could automatically generate the next game without searching).

This might be best as a hyper turbo only idea too, due to the length of 21 games. Multi tabling multiple 21 game sets would be a pretty neat dynamic too.

Obviously a bunch of ways to modify this idea, this was just what popped into my head.
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04-15-2012 , 04:31 AM
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04-15-2012 , 08:20 AM
If we are going to push for rake discounts for multiple games played then we should probably offer ideas about what to do should a player disconnect, or something comes up and a player has to leave the computer, etc. If I agree to 21 matches and then my internet goes out during match #3, do I just get blinded out in the remaining games? If a player's commitment to 21 games is voided in the event of a disconnection then that allows for a very obvious exploit should someone not want to continue to the full number of games.

I'm not sure about what I think should happen.
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