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02-24-2012 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Random promo idea:

Maybe April could be Heads Up SNG month. In addition to debuting some sort of leaderboard described in this thread, perhaps there could be some sort of Golden Ticket Giveaway.

4-5x a day a ticket can be awarded to a random player playing heads up sngs, the ticket would qualify them for a heads up MTT at the end of the week (32 person, though 16 could also work, I think any more and it's too long shot for too little reward, any shorter and it's not wide enough of a promo).

The winner of that MTT could play a pro for 1-5k in a heads up sng. Week 1 could be Bjoerni, week 2 could be Daniel, week 3 could be Isildur, week 4 could be another known pro that at least dabbles in heads up sngs (Moneymaker for instance).

Plenty of modifications could exist, you could aim the tickets at specific buyins (low stakes for example to attract newer players in higher numbers) and during specific times of the day (high traffic times, or low traffic to boost action during those times).
would probably crash with SCOOP too hard I guess, does sound good though
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02-25-2012 , 07:42 AM
Just to reiterate a previous point. Please sort out the lag. The games lag, the lobbies lag, everything on Pokerstars lags about 50% of the time.
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02-25-2012 , 08:08 AM
A weekly leaderboard based on ELO ranking might could work? This way everyone could participate regardless of volume, since if you beat someone highly ranked you get a lot of points (+25), but if you lose you drop only a few points (-2)... From this high volume and "quality play" could equally benefit? Just make the starting points to 2000, so noone goes to negative (hopefully) and make sure you cant check the opponents rank from the lobby before registering.

It doesnt have to be a cash prize leaderboard tho (guess most ppl here would prefer that nonetheless), but you could award MTT/HUMTT/HUSNG tickets, high value items from the shop, FPPs, t-shirts down to the 100th place... I think most hobby players rather happy for a shirt than for lets say 5$. A monthly shootout for top finishers like BOP would be also good, it could promote the games if broadcasted properly etc...

Last edited by HorvatH; 02-25-2012 at 08:16 AM.
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02-25-2012 , 10:06 AM
I would play for a leaderboard even if the only prize was an T-shirt, perhaps with a picture of a golden ladder with my username at the top and 'HUSNG: AWESOME PLAYA' in sequins above it.
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02-25-2012 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Bean
I would play for a leaderboard even if the only prize was an T-shirt, perhaps with a picture of a golden ladder with my username at the top and 'HUSNG: AWESOME PLAYA' in sequins above it.
EPIC...Why do i want one already lol
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02-25-2012 , 11:06 PM
A Stars rep asks for HUSNG LB suggestions and you guys say all I want is a free T-Shirt? Please make your levels more obvious so Stars doesn't take your suggestions serious.
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02-26-2012 , 02:02 AM
speak for yourself, I really need more T-shirts.
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02-26-2012 , 02:12 AM
disconnect protection for games that haven't yet commenced or an auto unreg from lobbies when disconnected would be nice i think, especially for hyper grinders. even though I have back up it still takes 30 seconds to kick in and if i'm unlucky enough to d/c before the game has commenced then i'm not given any d/c time balance and i'm obv rapidly blinded down
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02-26-2012 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Chumplestultz
disconnect protection for games that haven't yet commenced or an auto unreg from lobbies when disconnected would be nice i think, especially for hyper grinders. even though I have back up it still takes 30 seconds to kick in and if i'm unlucky enough to d/c before the game has commenced then i'm not given any d/c time balance and i'm obv rapidly blinded down
That is true. Very annoying when that happens.
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02-26-2012 , 09:00 AM
When observing a HUSNG, if the game finishes and both players accept the rematch, the rematch table should open for the observers too. Making high stakes battles easier to rail, combined with some of the earlier ideas for promoting them (5k challenges with isildur, announcements on website when big battles are happening) would really help generate excitement for them, especially in hypers.
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02-26-2012 , 11:02 AM
when can we see some official word about promotion being (or not) included?
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02-26-2012 , 12:18 PM
probably been mentioned and should have no cons whatsoever:
rematch window taking focus until the opponent has responded + you can't minimize it etc.. please fix this? especially annoying with mtts on the site that don't pop up since the rematch counter is counting down... also douchebag regs abuse it a ton which makes it even more annoying
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02-26-2012 , 12:29 PM
would be cool to have "rematch" checkbox at your table while playing, so you can turn it on before the match ends
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02-26-2012 , 09:15 PM
+++++ Unregister from HUSNGs when disconnected, side benefit is this should get rid of a lot of bjoerni/plauzee type stuff and make it easier to add 10k+ games
+ make disconnected player sit out after a few minutes
+ chop checkbox (available immediately obv else its pretty much useless)
+ cut down rematch time to 5-10 sec
+ add another table checkbox (dont make it stand out too much tho)
+ ftp type leaderboard. you could make it like 1 point for hypers, 3 points for turbos, 5 points for regspeeds. hypers go fast anyway while the rest of the game speeds wouldn't mind some extra players
+ ChiRy's suggestion of a rake cut if two regs sit each other, with a player pool getting more polarized in skill you should make some extra incentive to have regs hunt each other and generate rake outside fish matchups
+ kill the NBIs (at least the 200bb ones) and replace them with deep stack HUSNGs like on ftp/ipoker. I really doubt most fish are interested in 2-3 hours matches and good regs don't play them coz hourly is ****. not to mention that the rake they contribute must be pretty tiny compared to other formats
+ slow down hypers a bit, maybe 3min levels
+ 25bb structure in hu hyper mtts, add more normal speed hu mtts. I think it would be good to make some sort of monthly 1k buyin hu mtt, it could bring more exposure to hu
+ make some promotion w a top husng reg like the isildur showdown, that could bring fishes new to poker in general


-1 to elo leaderboard for pretty much the same reason I dislike sharkscope
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02-27-2012 , 07:06 AM
the 2 second delay thing would be a smorgasbord at the lower stakes, where there is a ton of actions already.

I don't think we need more lobbies at 30s, its fairly easy to reg even without [ ] register identical, and there still a ton of EV to be had against the regs. If at higher stakes your profit depends a lot on your lobby hunting skills I would hate that and seriously look into other sites.

Lower rake by a few cents at 30s, kinda nitty but it makes absolutely no sense to me why 30s have a higher % rake than 15s. Rake is supposed to go down as you move up.

+1 million to hide cashier balance. My roommates come over to watch me play every once in a while and it's totally inappropriate that stars forces me to show exactly how much money I have in my account.

Somewhat radical (but easy to implement) lobby idea:

infinite lobbies, but only the two/three oldest lobbies show up to other players. So if you want to play right now you can sit somebody, if you want your own lobby you can take your spot in the queue. This would take away the advantage of ahk/scripts, create more reg/reg action as people try to push their lobbies up the queue, allow fish to opensit whenever they want, but still leave incentive to watch the lobby as you don't know if a fish is going to show up next.
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02-27-2012 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JSpazz
+++++ Unregister from HUSNGs when disconnected, side benefit is this should get rid of a lot of bjoerni/plauzee type stuff and make it easier to add 10k+ games
+ make disconnected player sit out after a few minutes
+ chop checkbox (available immediately obv else its pretty much useless)
+ cut down rematch time to 5-10 sec
+ add another table checkbox (dont make it stand out too much tho)
+ ftp type leaderboard. you could make it like 1 point for hypers, 3 points for turbos, 5 points for regspeeds. hypers go fast anyway while the rest of the game speeds wouldn't mind some extra players
+ ChiRy's suggestion of a rake cut if two regs sit each other, with a player pool getting more polarized in skill you should make some extra incentive to have regs hunt each other and generate rake outside fish matchups
+ kill the NBIs (at least the 200bb ones) and replace them with deep stack HUSNGs like on ftp/ipoker. I really doubt most fish are interested in 2-3 hours matches and good regs don't play them coz hourly is ****. not to mention that the rake they contribute must be pretty tiny compared to other formats
+ slow down hypers a bit, maybe 3min levels
+ 25bb structure in hu hyper mtts, add more normal speed hu mtts. I think it would be good to make some sort of monthly 1k buyin hu mtt, it could bring more exposure to hu
+ make some promotion w a top husng reg like the isildur showdown, that could bring fishes new to poker in general


-1 to elo leaderboard for pretty much the same reason I dislike sharkscope
This is solid. a few things to add some of which have been mentioned im sure

+ 2 tables at each stake not just <$7, it would stop us having to stare at the lobby waiting for the reg to get sat
+ offer tables button/checkbox, i think make it so it doesn't through a massive pop-up on opponents screen, just that if you both check it another table comes up, something like that.


all i can think to add right now
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02-27-2012 , 02:25 PM
rematch tick box as h1nt and many others said
add a table tick box
more 25 (or 30bb) hu tournaments
lower 30s rake +++++++++++++++++++++
and that thing about not being able to close rematch window i think its easily fixable (that **** tilts me a lot)
oh and cut down rematch time to 10 secs
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02-27-2012 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Freakg
when can we see some official word about promotion being (or not) included?
PokerStars is going to weigh in as they have information for us about popular suggestions. I don't know the timeframe, but I'd imagine that some changes can be answered very quickly (as we've seen a few responses already) and others might require more extensive analysis, approval, discussion etc. within their company.
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02-27-2012 , 05:54 PM
I'm not sure it's an issue anymore, but fix the "bug" where when a fish is busto, he can still accept rematches. It seems to have confused a lot of people over the years. I remember i was a bit confused when it first happened to me, wondering when the game was going to show up, worried I was blinding down at some table somewhere.
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02-28-2012 , 01:56 AM
I agree about deep stack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NBI.
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02-28-2012 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ibavly
Somewhat radical (but easy to implement) lobby idea:

infinite lobbies, but only the two/three oldest lobbies show up to other players. So if you want to play right now you can sit somebody, if you want your own lobby you can take your spot in the queue. This would take away the advantage of ahk/scripts, create more reg/reg action as people try to push their lobbies up the queue, allow fish to opensit whenever they want, but still leave incentive to watch the lobby as you don't know if a fish is going to show up next.
thoughts on this?

or thoughts on 4 lobbies?

lobby's kinda tilting me today
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02-28-2012 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JSpazz
+++++ Unregister from HUSNGs when disconnected, side benefit is this should get rid of a lot of bjoerni/plauzee type stuff and make it easier to add 10k+ games
+ make disconnected player sit out after a few minutes
+ chop checkbox (available immediately obv else its pretty much useless)
+ cut down rematch time to 5-10 sec
+ add another table checkbox (dont make it stand out too much tho)
+ ftp type leaderboard. you could make it like 1 point for hypers, 3 points for turbos, 5 points for regspeeds. hypers go fast anyway while the rest of the game speeds wouldn't mind some extra players
+ ChiRy's suggestion of a rake cut if two regs sit each other, with a player pool getting more polarized in skill you should make some extra incentive to have regs hunt each other and generate rake outside fish matchups
+ kill the NBIs (at least the 200bb ones) and replace them with deep stack HUSNGs like on ftp/ipoker. I really doubt most fish are interested in 2-3 hours matches and good regs don't play them coz hourly is ****. not to mention that the rake they contribute must be pretty tiny compared to other formats
+ slow down hypers a bit, maybe 3min levels
+ 25bb structure in hu hyper mtts, add more normal speed hu mtts. I think it would be good to make some sort of monthly 1k buyin hu mtt, it could bring more exposure to hu
+ make some promotion w a top husng reg like the isildur showdown, that could bring fishes new to poker in general


-1 to elo leaderboard for pretty much the same reason I dislike sharkscope
i like all those ideas except i'm not sure that i would like hypers to be slowed down... i like the current structure.

also, with disconnects... there are a lot of times where someone will disconnect for maybe 5 minutes, but then they'll come back and still have some chips left. i think that if you're getting a free win when your opponent disconnects, it's not a big deal to sit there for 5 or 10 minutes and click the raise button. so if you have people sitting out after being disconnected for a little bit, there's a good chance that they might have been able to reconnect with a few chips left under the current structure... but with this proposed change, they'll just lose the match after being disconnected for only a few minutes.

Last edited by plowking2010; 02-28-2012 at 01:33 PM.
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02-28-2012 , 01:32 PM
one thing that might be a good idea to somehow add would be a "pause" button.

there will be times when i've been rematching the same person for an hour or two... and if i have to take a piss, as soon as i click the rematch button, i have to run to the bathroom, take a piss, and run back... and i get back just as the match is starting, or i miss a couple hands.

or there have been a few times when i've been playing, and someone rings the doorbell, and i run down, and either let them in or tell them to come back in 5 minutes, and run back before my time bank runs out.

not really sure the best way to accomplish this... maybe have a "request a pause" button... and then a message will pop up on the other person's screen saying "plowking has requested a 5 minute pause. reason: need to smoke a spliff" and then the person can accept or deny the pause request.

in addition to that, you could also get a few 1 minute forced pause tokens... so maybe you're allowed three pauses per month when your opponent is denying your pause requests.

this pause feature might also be useful at final tables of big tournaments and maybe even the higher stake 6-max SNG games.
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02-28-2012 , 02:23 PM
Pause button is a great idea.

Don't agree with the forced pause though. It is kind of against the spirit of the game, and is unnecessarily complicated/confusing. The changes have to be simple and elegant.
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02-28-2012 , 06:55 PM
yeah that is true about "pause" and it will be nice to have it

also can we get more HU MTT with KO, like in french PokerStars where you can play 20E KO
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