Wowza, and that's why regs rarely play each other and there are waiting lists a halfhour long to get a game. Lowering the rake would definitely lead to many more games running.

Alongside OP, this is the best post ITT and i could not agree more.

Well I guess I might as well aim for the heavens: Abolish hu superturbos.

This as well. Clearly i cannot think for myself as i just quote other people and agree but basically they are saying anything i would say myself so i can be lazy.

It's amazing to think that the biggest obstacle to being a winner is not the existence of other competent players, but rather the rake. Taken together, though, the effect is staggering, as we have seen recently.

in couple of years it will be only regs playing each other...might as well get used to it now.

One more thing about the superturbos: I do think it's an interesting precedent to have games on your site that are impossible to beat for a profit at any level with any level of skill. Do you want games on your site that are impossible to win? Do you want recreational players coming to the conclusion that some of your games are essentially casino games, where no matter what strategy they employ, it's rigged in the house's favor?

I'm not saying the answer is definitely no, you could go and market FTP as the true gambler's experience. But if your calling card is the Phil Ivey when I raised on fourth street he played with his chips "if you learn to make the right moves in a game, you can win money, and regardless, you'll enjoy playing", superturbos don't necessarily fit with that.

Can you make a special color where you won't see that player? Or an ability to designate a certain color invisible? So for instance, I would never, ever want to play Phil Ivey Heads up. So I would tag him purple or something, cause I set purple as my "invisible" color, so I don't see his tournament in the lobby. It can also be used for cash games, instead of the lobby being cluttered with people you don't want to play for whatever reason, you can color them with a certain color and not see their table anymore.

no offense, but this is the stupidest f#@king request ever.

Nah. It's silly, but it's not that bad.

Oh, and FTPDoug, something simple: Make it so that we can see who is registered in a HUSNG lobby without opening it? I'd rather not open every lobby to see who the eight bumhunters are today at the $100s, if I could see this just by highlighting the tournament, that would be great if it's doable.

+1

i really, really don't have any idea how anyone thought superturbo HUsngs would be a good idea to begin with, but it's irrelevant now and i agree they should be destroyed abolished obliterated w/e.

i also would really enjoy the feature of seeing who is in a game without opening it. i would think it'd be a relatively easy addition to make to the little sidebar options that already exist such as mini cashier etc.

Hi all,

Thanks for the feedback so far, keep it coming.

Some quick responses that may or may not help the discussion:

1. The "add another table" checkbox would be FANTASTIC.

- I'm with you, it's a great idea. It's down on the list of ideas. I don't know when we'll get to it, but we will get to it eventually.

2. Timing all the way down on every decision IS unsportsmanlike conduct.

- I also agree here. What kind of "punishment" is deserved, though?

3. HUSNG players continually get the shaft on promotions. We are left out of SNG promotions all the time, for instance. We don't get leaderboards on FTP. Etc. HUSNGs are huge rake generators, so this never makes sense to me.

- The reason HUSNGs are usually left out of promos is the fact that it's pretty difficult to create a good promotion ("good" being subjective, of course, but in this case meaning "gives away a significant amount of money") that includes HUSNGs that can't also be easily gamed. I do hear you, though, and we'll start trying harder to include them where possible. Or maybe we'll work on creating a separate promotion just for HUSNGs that takes all the gaming into account.

4. Abolish hu superturbos.

- This is extremely unlikely to happen. They're just too popular. Modifying the structures, though, is certainly a possibility. We're going to have some discussion soon about all the feedback and see what kinds of changes we can make. If any changes do happen here, it's unlikely they'll happen before mid-to-late April though, sorry.

5. Make it so that we can see who is registered in a HUSNG lobby without opening it?

- This is coming as a new widget. I'm not sure exactly when, but I know it's being worked on.

It doesn't have to be anything crazy. I'd deal with it how you deal with other minor violations. The process for these people is generally a series of warnings followed by closing down the account pending a security review, then re-open it, and if substantial evidence continues that the player is not willing to play in a way that agrees with your Terms and Conditions, a ban (no money confiscated of course). In reality, timing down will decrease a ton simply if it's against the rules, and things very rarely will get past the "future violations will result in disciplinary action up to and including a ban from our site" phase of like the third warning or whatever. It is a pretty small subset of players who are timing down, but that means it's not going to be all that much extra work on the administrative end, and it disproportionately affects your highest-raking players.

People come to FTP to play poker, and the benefit to players is more than worth it.

Very pleased with these two things and the "add a new table with someone checkbox. I really do think it's mutually beneficial to keep the rake in the superturbos lower and I understand why they're not going away completely.

Create a system that every time you hit rematch button you will get rewarded so players will try to be more pleasant.

Here's one I would like:

1 time you play you get normal bonus on your FT points.

2 times you get double.

3 times you get 3x.

4 times you get 4x.

Then you keep getting 4x(or whatever it's best) until you stop playing.

Here's a thought...

Maybe...

just maybe...

the reason husngs make it easy to game promotions is THAT WE PAY SO MUCH DAMN RAKE.

lol

Very good to hear, and I hope something happens with them. As others have said, the games simply are not beatable. I think if you started them 30bbs deep instead of 10, you'd actually get a lot of the regular solid players to move from turbos to superturbos. (I'm almost positive spamzor would LOVE that structure for example)

20bb's would be enough

wow, action is really dead at ftp. I've been playing on stars until recently and no had too many problems waiting for games.

Maybe this has something to do with allowing people to sit and one table and wait it out? At stars the system seems mostly to be there is only one table available and you either sit there or wait?

have a timebank instead. If they use it all up early on then that's their loss.

I have asked for this in every FTP update thread in Internet Poker forums that FTPdoug starts to no avail for about year now.

If some more of us request it in the thread it might become a reality, as the other games have this function should be very simple to do for FTP.

ohh sorry didn't see that... good to see.

^^ I wish Stars had that <3

+1,2,3,4 and 5

Although it's a bit gimmicky, I do like the idea of incentivizing use of the rematch button.

Upside for the the site is that more games get played and possibly that players looking to get rematched are more pleasant in chat.

Upside for us is increased action (less wait time) and bigger edges (more games with reads).

Even a promotion with "double points on rematches" could be cool, before making it a full blown feature.

Pts aren't really worth much monetary wise, correct? So using those for a promotion shouldn't hurt your bottom line and should make all players happy. Casual players like getting something extra, and grinders like the added action that a casual player promotion brings. FTP wont' give up much bc pts aren't worth much, everybody wins.

or maybe it's because there's only 2 people involved