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Originally Posted by ac on
They aren't beatable. Period. Unless you:
1. Are one of the best players in the world (eg. spamzor)
2. are playing high stakes (the lower stakes have too much rake)
FTP's slogan is "play with the pros," or something. At the least, they seem to acknowledge that poker is a skill game. HU super turbos remove the skill element, by making it virtually impossible to profit.
People really do not understand how bad the variance in these is. Spamz0r has played <1500 of these. This is not even relatively close to a big enough sample to have any idea what sort of winrate he can expect long term. A standard downswing right now could put him into the negatives in them. Primo was the original "best player in the world at these" and until he hit his first real downswing.
There is no way anyone is beating these long term for a significant amount of money unless they are a red pro. To make things worse, a red pro can sit there with the Nash chart open and be unexploitable and just print money against non-red pros. We should just start referring to them as red-robots because there is no thought process or skill involved in what they are doing at all.
PS: Just to avoid confusion, I agree that Spamz0r is an awesome player. I just don't agree that these games are beatable for anything close to worthwhile long term. They are just a rake trap that is sucking fish away from the games that are already paying the highest rake.