This is the thread for us to voice our concerns about HUSNG issues on FTP. FTPDoug has promised to read it and take it seriously.

I mainly have two issues with existing conditions:

1) HUSNG players continually get the shaft on promotions. We are left out of SNG promotions all the time, for instance. We don't get leaderboards on FTP. Etc. HUSNGs are huge rake generators, so this never makes sense to me.

2) Superturbos. We love the idea, Doug, don't get me wrong (some of us anyway). The problem is that you've set the rake at an amount that makes those games unbeatable long-term--so say our resident experts, anyway. I would love to see either A) A change in the structure of these that makes them beatable with the current rake (I don't know what this would take), or B) a drop in the rake to something in the range of .5%, or C) some kind of compromise of both options (20bbs deep, 1.5% rake for instance). As it stands, these games pose a threat to HUSNGs long term, yet we (winners) can't play in them ourselves.

Other than that, I don't really have any complaints outside of the fact that I saved my points for a year and you guys took away the monitor I was going to buy.

There have been suggestions raised, though, like the ability to add a 2nd table with someone with a checkbox or menu request. I also would like the ability to "invite" someone to a game (or password protect one) so that perhaps friends could play each other some low stakes without the enormous hassle of trying to sit the same $1 lobby.

please add rebuy husngs

See here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58...thread-669084/

Huh?

This would be different from the rematch button how, exactly? I mean other than the fact that the blinds stay at the level, reducing your edge? Why in the world would you ever want that?

Or are you saying that once the match is over, the loser should have the option to rebuy for starting chips and have a 2-to-1 chip disadvantage?

Cause yeah, I can totally see that being a popular option.

lol

Strict penalties for people who time down chronically.

i dont care of the superturbos, but i agree with all the rest from op, very good ideas. +1

this one

great idea for a thread tho

+1 to OP.

I think HU super turbos in their current state siphon off a huge % of the fish to a place where sharks can't swim and it's kind of sad. Both of Sejje's proposed fixs seem reasonable to me.

i wouldnt expect the great TNixon to rebuy but the more casual players would love it

+2 Superturbos are bad for poker in general and pretty much pointless, they arent (?) beatable without huge swings and take fish from games like turbos and reg speeds, turning poker into a lotto which is bad long term for everybody including full tilt. Also HU players getting shafted in promos. Not playing there atm but will be, sooner rather than later if they fix some things like this and this :

I simply don't understand why you would want your fish to have the option to rebuy for equal stacks at a point in the game where your edge is reduced because of the blind increase, or why you think they actually *would* rebuy at a 2-to-1 chip disadvantage if they could simply rematch for equal stacks. Generally speaking, bad players aren't complete morons, they're just bad at poker.

Oh yeah, and the assholish sarcasm is a little unnecessary, don't you think?

on rebuy husng tables each player buys in normally

then when one gets stacked he has the option to rebuy for 1500 chips and the player who won gets to keep his 3000 stack

the blind levels are then reset

the player who won the first time doesnt get the money awarded to him until the other player stops rebuying

its like martingaling which gambling addicts love to do

Stop polluting this awesome thread with arguments about rebuy HUSNGs. He suggested it, FTP won't do it if they have any sense, so let's leave it there.

This. If a guy is repeatedly timing down, punish him. It's ridiculous that this is allowed.

superturbos are terrible longterm for husngs. Before they existed, I would get rematched so often. Now, my opponents tilt off the rest of their money at Superturbos, therefore losing it faster, therefore bad for the site.

Already cosigned for adding another table against the same opponent(this is HUGE)

Including us in the promotions would be great since we get busted by the rake. Or have our own promotion of some sort. Sounds reasonable

As you can see Doug, none of these things are unreasonable. As a programmer, I know that some enhancements take time, but promo's, rake/structure adjustments, and firing 2 tables instead of just one can't be too hard.

Imagine how much more rake FTP could get if we could invite opponents to play more than one table at once( you should be drooling ).

Come on guys, this just isn't going to happen. If someone times down on you then sit another table. Think of more clever/feasible ideas while Doug is listening.

i would cancel superturbos

and add "first hand all-in" or "1 blind" heads-up sng,
wich are pure coinflips but will still attract lots of gamblers (and tilting players). like on pacific or betfair.

this will bring easier competition in turbo sng and make them beatable for a larger number of players wich will be able to keep playing regularly or semi-regularly on fulltilt.

They aren't beatable. Period.

This is somehow even worse than super turbos.

Please ignore this KILL THE SUPER TURBOS.

i don't play at full tilt right now but would if there were husng leader boards or some other extra rake back. and hyper-turbos are bad for everyone unless fixed

that's exactly what i'm saying.

but poker sites are there for business,
"first hand all in" husng would still generate a lot of rake but not take away so much from turbo sng

FTP DOUG DON'T EVER TAKE OF THE SUPERTURBOS EVA!!!!!!!!! EVEN FOR HU I NEED THOSE WHEN I'M TILTING WHICH IS EVERY TIME I PLAY POKER

People really do not understand how bad the variance in these is. Spamz0r has played <1500 of these. This is not even relatively close to a big enough sample to have any idea what sort of winrate he can expect long term. A standard downswing right now could put him into the negatives in them. Primo was the original "best player in the world at these" and until he hit his first real downswing.

There is no way anyone is beating these long term for a significant amount of money unless they are a red pro. To make things worse, a red pro can sit there with the Nash chart open and be unexploitable and just print money against non-red pros. We should just start referring to them as red-robots because there is no thought process or skill involved in what they are doing at all.

PS: Just to avoid confusion, I agree that Spamz0r is an awesome player. I just don't agree that these games are beatable for anything close to worthwhile long term. They are just a rake trap that is sucking fish away from the games that are already paying the highest rake.

We're here to give feedback, not tell them how to run their business. Leave the business planning to them and don't give them any reason to think we want there to be any sort of edge-free game.

FTPDoug came to ask for what we want. Do you want to play 1bb/all in HUSNGs or not? If not, then don't give these guys ideas.