Hey guys. Its the first time im writting with no real "direct" question in mind.
I started playing hypers around 11 months ago, at 1.5s. Slowly move up till 7s. Watching some videos from HUSNG (standard pack) and learning while playing.

Then i tried to play 10s on FTP and got screwed. So, i started reading some materials about flop texture to cbets, ranges to mr fold, mr call shove, limp call, etc. After some time i started to play 7s on stars again to gain some confidence.
When i reached 15s i was surprised of how i was able to be a winning player there (4% ROI in 4k games), given that i was a losing player at 10s on FTP. I guess studying payed off.

So, i played 2 months at 15s. I got enough to play 30s in the first month, but was not confortable with it.
This month i took my shot. And, no surprise, i lost a LOT. My red line is just going straight down. (EV too).

Do you guys think that 15s to 30s is the hardest transition for a beginner? (of course, im not counting super high stakes).
I feel that players are over agressive, contesting every single flop. No cbet get throught. Every dry flop is CRed. People even 4bet bluff shove dry flops.
Im getting back to 15s now, but im not giving up. So, what do you guys think is the best option here:
- Getting a coach? I was thinking about Cog dis. Everybody seens to like him, and i watched some good videos too.
- Getting master and/or premium package on HUSNG.com?
- Grinding 15s and taking another shot?

I do get enough BR to pay for a coach or package, so i just need to choose.
It may seen like a post from a player that tried (once) to move up and fail, and come here to cry about it. But the truth is that, at 30s the game is SOOOO different, that im completely lost.

Any advice from people who struggle to transition from 15s to 30s and are now regs at higher stakes is appreciated.

Thanks a lot. Sorry about my english.

It could be that you just hit a bad stretch of variation when moving up. How many games did you manage to play at 30s? It might look worse than it really is due to the higher buy ins your graph is gonna take twice as big steps in both ways.

Nope I think $60s to $30s is way harder. Although from your description of players it sounds like the only person you've played so far is ypsik.

Hey Decoy. Thanks for the answer.
I thought about that too. But its not just the amount i have lost. It was 30 BI in 600 games.
Im worried because in all 600 games i feel lost. Getting pushed around with no way of playing back. (when i choose to play back they just snap shove over my raise..LOL). cbetting dry flop and getting raise. At one point, i stopped cbeting with air, because dry flops get CR..and wet flops usually i dont cbet .

So, maybe im in the wrong side of variance. But the way it happen, makes me wonder if my winning play at 15s is enough at 30s.

Thanks.

Hey Bluenowhere. I played u a few times i guess. Even asked u about 2p2.

I played ypsik a few times. Taged him with RED cause i sharkscoped him and he is a winning player (if im not mistaken).
Its really hard to play this guys.
I played a guy that limped a polarized range that won like 10 BI straight from me. I just couldnt adapt LOL.
Played NOT_SO_GOOD0 too. At 30s i finally started playing people from 2p2, witch is nice i guess (maybe not )?

If 30s to 60s is harder, i better be prepared.

Thanks.

Yea if you're the one I think I was in a slightly abusive mood that session (or maybe not, two people have asked about 2p2 recently) lol.

I wouldn't tag people with red just cos of their ss though, quite a few people that don't deserve red tags despite decent results. Judge on the merit of their play. Although ypsik is definitely one of the harder people to play and games always seem to end up being very aggressive.



Yea there also starts to be a few ok limpers at this level, where they actually start not playing bad post flop

I can stake you...

Hey man. Idk if u r serious or not. But thanks for the offer. The thing is, i do have a BR to play 30s right now. So, i dont need money. I just think im a losing player at 30s. So, looking for advice.
Thanks anyway.

I guess coaching is the more obvious option. I hope i can explain myself in english during coaching. Lol

If you beat 15s through a decent sample, I find it highly unlikely that you're a losing player at 30s. From your post, it seeems as though you've probably ran bad when you've taken your shot, the games play almost exactly the same at 15s and 30s and neither stake is particularly aggressive. Getting some coaching is always a good investment, take your time to do some research though, there are alot of coaches out there now, and some are better than others. Gl

I just posted my 15s month graph in the daily volume thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2318

Your post surprises me A LOT!
For me 15s and 30s are two different worlds.
As i said, i just move down again, and now my cbets just WORKS. lol.
Maybe i was on a heater at 15s and im not a winner at all?! Or maybe i just ran bad at 30s.. IDK.

I will follow your advice about coaches. Thanks u very much.

Hi! Im not hyper player, play turbos and just moved to 30s and i see that there is much higher fish/reg ratio and there is also some really good regs cause in 30s u already make nice money so maybe they dont wanna move up so fast or play 2 or 3 diff lvls. I think my basic strat works fine on 30s and in 15s but in 15s cause there is more fish so i can adapt better when needed and make bigger winnings.
U make nice money already in 15s, i guess 4% is nice for hypers? Maybe u just hit the harder regs at 30s? maybe they know u just moved up to 30s and they have idea what is diff between lvls so they know better how u play and what things u dont expect and dont see in 15s? so its easy to adapt for them if they are good players. U could try to play now only regs in 15s and the times u feel u are playing your best u could one table 30s and try to find fish there first. So playing 2 lvls and harder part in 15s and easier part in 30s would maybe make the transition easier. Also 1 tabling 30s u have more time to think and remember those moves u didnt see in 15s and then u can take them in your arsenal or find a way to counter them.
I think ur mental game is good cause u are rdy to move down in lvls and u dont sound fustrated at all. Just keep playing and try 1 table 30s when u are at best

I feel exactly like you, 15s and 30s are completely different worlds. Try using sharkystrator to avoid reg wars and ull feel more comfortable

Also keep studying and try to find how to exploit/defend Vs 30s Regs, if u can't find the way by yourself just ask for a coach.

GL

Hey there. Lots of good advices. Thanks a lot.
Im playing 15s right know to win some $ and pay for a coach/package(husng.com). Ill definetely buy Sharky as everybody seens to agree that its a program that will help me a lot.

Nidel: nice to see that im not the only one that thinks 15s =/= 30s lol. Idk. Today i think 3.5s is identical to 7s. But when i was moving up 7s was difficult too.. lol.

Rock&River: Thanks for the tips. And thanks for taking your time. 4% is pretty good at Hypers. Lets hope one day i will be able to do it at 30s and higher
About my mental game, its easy to be a Jedi Master when writting on 2p2. But when playing and losing 6-10 BI straight i just tilt like a monkey. Sometimes i try to pull my hairs off... lol

Thanks guys.

i just made the jump like 2-3 weeks ago and had the same feeling as you
still have that feeling they are def more aggro vs cbets and 3bets on 30`s
and even tought i`m running bad,most of the regs are pretty bad



there are def good player (alot of the guys from 2+2 that you named earlier play solid)
BUT its kinda easy to avoid them + if you play solid there is no reason for them to play you,
IMO there is enough fish on 30`s to not regwar

just try and improve and review as much as you can

FWIW the $30 has always been my most hated limit. I have never been able to completely figure out why.
I have a theory that may be it's because the range of opponent is wider than any other limit. You get really bad players (as in the lower stakes) and very decent player who could be playing the $100. it's a good limit to learn to adapt.

keep trying, it might just be a confidence issue. If you are a winner at the $15 there is no reason why you shouldn't beat the $30. May be try to avoid most regs at the beginning. Fish are not different at the $15 than $30.

i think the difference is not big. Imo its the psychological factor you have to work on

The are some key differences between 15s & 30s, for example:
-In 15s u can Cbet 85-90% Vs most of the players, try to do that in 30s and you are dead xD
-In 15s u can barrel of scary cards getting a lot of folds ott or otr, once again, in 30s is not that easy.

In 30s people starts to play real poker, taking in account your frequencies and in general they are more solid postflop and preflop, there are still some fishes but reg wars start to be hard and u can not play ABC poker anymore.

who on earth are you guys playing at 30s??

reg wars at 30s? really?

Don't misinterpret my words :P

Playing 30s regs is not easy, at least for me, I'm sure you are very good but think that some of us are still learning. Im sure that is very easy for you guys reghunting in 30$, but for me there are significant diferences between 15s and 30s.

Don't think population tendencies for those spots differ that drastically for 15s and 30s. People at 30's are still quite bad and most likely miss more than one chromosome judging from how they play....

I feel an obvs gap between 15s and 30s but they seem harder in the beginning, if you crashed 15s for good, and your br can afford the 30s just put some serious volume (I don't think multitabling now is the best idea)
The amount of regs on 30s is way bigger than the 15s.

I do both of those anyway and you aren't even slightly dead doing that. But yea the difference in quality of the top regs of $30s and $15s is a pretty huge gap.

lol, so much this.

Always gonna be some regs with big egos at every stake, and wherever big egos exist inevitably reg wars will follow.