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03-11-2022 , 05:55 AM

Acidjoe

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 40

I get the feeling I should have bet the turn here. Did I play this too passive?

PokerStars - 30/60 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 13.37 BB
SB: 11.63 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J

SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) J

Hero checks, SB bets 1.5 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Turn: (7 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, SB checks

River: (7 BB, 2 players) J

Hero bets 4.67 BB, fold

Hero wins 7 BB

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03-11-2022 , 09:41 AM

Esa_Perse

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,850

You could lead both flop and the turn ¨roughly 50% of the time. Can allso cr flop on small freq. River is a jam for me when two fds bricks. Fwiw villain shouldn't be raising with these dephts so bit weird spot.

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03-11-2022 , 11:02 AM

Acidjoe

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 40

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Originally Posted by Esa_Perse

You could lead both flop and the turn ¨roughly 50% of the time. Can also cr flop on small freq. River is a jam for me when two fds bricks. Fwiw villain shouldn't be raising with these dephts so bit weird spot.

It felt weird all the way. I didn't really want to lead the flop because I wanted to see what he would do and I really don't like donk betting. I then can fold/call/raise depending on the bet.

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03-11-2022 , 11:23 AM

VeniceMerchant

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Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 725

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Originally Posted by Esa_Perse

C/R flop makes no sense. Our hand isn't strong enough to be raising for value, and too strong to turn into a bluff.

Jack rag seems like a pretty weak hand to be leading a turn after Villain cbet flop. I'd be happy to check-call flop and turn.

I like jamming river though, or betting like 2bb to induce some sticky calls with AK etc.

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03-11-2022 , 01:16 PM

Esa_Perse

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,850

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Originally Posted by VeniceMerchant

We can c/r Jx on a small freq here like I said. If you think it's too weak etc then you can see some solves and check for yourself. Allso the board favors us heavily and we can do a lot of leading raising here. Turn is not a jackrag we have tp and fd to go with it fwiw.

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03-11-2022 , 02:35 PM

none888

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,665

After pre minraise, we are clearly playing a rec here.
Its kinda hard to give villain a range because even recs will minraise rarely this shallow, but If Id have to guess than it will be something like two face cards, pockets + very small amount of random hands.
And its hard to imagine anything of that folding to a flop xraise so I would xraise flop for value, than small turn bet and jam river.
With reads this guy is tight or/and passive, I rather play this passive/carefully and fold to aggression (obv not this runout).

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03-11-2022 , 02:47 PM

VeniceMerchant

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Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 725

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Originally Posted by Esa_Perse

Could you post a solve where Pio prefers to c/r this vs a flat? I know we have backdoor fd, but clubs, overcards, and even some middle pairs are likely to help villain.

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03-11-2022 , 08:04 PM

bravepokerplayer

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Join Date: Nov 2021 Posts: 163

My thoughts.
based on if i think villain is a rec. then

I will have a mr range 10-12bb eff.

leading here on the flop with that hand on such board does not make much sense to me in R pot. L pot would be different story.
OTT or OTR yes for leading when turn/river card changes drastically different hands eq.
c/r on the other hand for value does make sense because rec. cbets away too much that will be sticky.
recs cbets all pairs, draws and overcard combos.

so if chk/r flop then barrel off all the way

as played i bet super small OTR when did not lead OTT
would lead OTT when improved to 2pair+

Last edited by bravepokerplayer; 03-11-2022 at 08:07 PM. Reason: as played

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03-12-2022 , 02:28 AM

VeniceMerchant

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Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 725

Hey, Esa, I put in what I thought were some ranges a rec might minraise. I gave 3 size options that the BB could opt to bet and it basically only checked back the flop 15% of the time. Interesting.

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03-12-2022 , 08:31 AM

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Acidjoe

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 40

I went back and looked up the hand. Never played villian before. This was hand 25 and his session stats were PFR 24 VPIP 30 and 3 bet 25 CB 50. HU between 6 and 13 BB he folded all 4 hands before doing this min raise. If this helps any.

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