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02-21-2011 , 06:18 AM
lol thanks poly
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02-21-2011 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by cdog
Ive found minraising a huge range tilts some people, thats why I do it
ive found that using the fire bosses special skill vs your avatar tilts your avatar, so thats why i use it.
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02-21-2011 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Polycarpus
That's not adjusting to your style, that's copying your style. Adjusting could be starting to call wider than they would against somebody who 3xes because you're giving them better odds to call.


So start 7x-ing and when you raise and they fold to your CB, you will win a bigger pot than when they 3x and you fold to their CB. When they are pretty smart though and get what you're trying to do, they will adjust and start 11x-ing. Snap-counter that by 13x-ing. If he starts 18x-ing after that, you know the levelling war has begun. Ultimately, you both will be shoving all hands pre and if you use Nash, you're unbeatable.
NB: Make sure you count the steps though, you have to be the first one who opens with Nash. If he gets to the Nash-level first, there's no way you can ever catch up with him because Nash = Max-EV!
you should listen to this guy, hes a nuclear engineer.

Last edited by raised by jews; 02-21-2011 at 08:36 AM. Reason: or maybe a physicst or something like that. all i know is hes really smart and obv. knows nash :P...and sarcasm!
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02-21-2011 , 09:03 AM
I usually play nash at 50bb+ because I'm part russian.
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02-21-2011 , 09:17 AM
i honestly think the best rule for what to bet preflop is based on stack sizes. 30 BBs or deeper you should 3x, 20-30 BBs 2.5x and 20-under 2x/shove or limp (i say limp here because i never really limp until stacks are very shallow. it might be a leak, but i really doubt it, and if it is GFY).
further rules would be game speed. in deepstacks at certain stakes many villains love to be lagtarded (yes this is the appropriate term because they are so ****ing stupid about it and GFY if your PC about these things) and will 3bet wide, well in this case im stubborn (i never admit defeat) and I will continue to 3x because we are so ****ing deep that I dont care about the very FEW times that I fold to their 3bets early game because when I 4bet (it will be a huge 4bet for value based on hand strength) they almost always call (which is sad because im only 4betting 5% of my hands early game, and if you have a problem with not "balancing my range" then your trying to sound smarter than you are).
In turbos its different because you get morons and MTT regs that think they are preflop geniuses (didnt spell check that so GFY if you call me dumb for mispelling that) and think it is apropriate to 3bet ATCs. In turbos minraising is best unless you have reads that say otherwise (I had reads earlier today that villain would call ATCs EVERY hand up to 5 BBs, and would actually call higher on occasion, and would NEVER 3bet pre), because you will get 3bet so much more often.
in reg speeds its player dependant, but go by the rule i said in the first paragraph.
/thread, i dont wanna see any more on this.
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02-21-2011 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Polycarpus


So start 7x-ing and when you raise and they fold to your CB, you will win a bigger pot than when they 3x and you fold to their CB. When they are pretty smart though and get what you're trying to do, they will adjust and start 11x-ing. Snap-counter that by 13x-ing. If he starts 18x-ing after that, you know the levelling war has begun. Ultimately, you both will be shoving all hands pre and if you use Nash, you're unbeatable.
NB: Make sure you count the steps though, you have to be the first one who opens with Nash. If he gets to the Nash-level first, there's no way you can ever catch up with him because Nash = Max-EV!
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02-21-2011 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by raised by jews
i honestly think the best rule for what to bet preflop is based on stack sizes. 30 BBs or deeper you should 3x, 20-30 BBs 2.5x and 20-under 2x/shove or limp (i say limp here because i never really limp until stacks are very shallow. it might be a leak, but i really doubt it, and if it is GFY).
further rules would be game speed. in deepstacks at certain stakes many villains love to be lagtarded (yes this is the appropriate term because they are so ****ing stupid about it and GFY if your PC about these things) and will 3bet wide, well in this case im stubborn (i never admit defeat) and I will continue to 3x because we are so ****ing deep that I dont care about the very FEW times that I fold to their 3bets early game because when I 4bet (it will be a huge 4bet for value based on hand strength) they almost always call (which is sad because im only 4betting 5% of my hands early game, and if you have a problem with not "balancing my range" then your trying to sound smarter than you are).
In turbos its different because you get morons and MTT regs that think they are preflop geniuses (didnt spell check that so GFY if you call me dumb for mispelling that) and think it is apropriate to 3bet ATCs. In turbos minraising is best unless you have reads that say otherwise (I had reads earlier today that villain would call ATCs EVERY hand up to 5 BBs, and would actually call higher on occasion, and would NEVER 3bet pre), because you will get 3bet so much more often.
in reg speeds its player dependant, but go by the rule i said in the first paragraph.
/thread, i dont wanna see any more on this.
hahahahahahahahaha
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02-21-2011 , 01:32 PM
parents are usually more supportive of min-raising than you might think. if you're a min-raiser my advice is just to be proud.
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02-21-2011 , 02:32 PM
Lots of Gfy's in that post lololololololoolol
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02-22-2011 , 12:55 AM
Basically, GFY if you think anything about what rbj rhinks.
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02-22-2011 , 02:21 AM
In the '...best of..' threads, there's also:

this
&
this

which are both relevant to SB bet sizing with regards to blind level/stack sizes.
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02-22-2011 , 03:42 AM
I tend to start minraising preflop when a player starts floating flops more, so multible barrels get a little cheaper.
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02-22-2011 , 09:18 AM
that said i play deep husng's.
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02-22-2011 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by britewire
I tend to start minraising preflop when a player starts floating flops more, so multible barrels get a little cheaper.

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Originally Posted by britewire
that said i play deep husng's.
slap yourself for losing equity.
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02-22-2011 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by britewire
I tend to start minraising preflop when a player starts floating flops more, so multible barrels get a little cheaper.
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Originally Posted by britewire
that said i play deep husng's.
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Originally Posted by raised by jews
GFY
fyp
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02-22-2011 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Punch Dancer
GFY
GFY
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02-22-2011 , 12:14 PM
lol @ gfy business, tho imo rbj's post is very good and iyam 3xing can never be wrong 125+ bb deep just coz you have a huge positional edge coz of SPR
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02-28-2011 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Nichlemn
It's been mathematically proven that raising to 2.35x the big blind is optimal.
What is the source?

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02-28-2011 , 03:58 PM
he was joking mate
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03-01-2011 , 04:00 AM
limp is better
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03-01-2011 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dalglish
he was joking mate
I'm also making the point that there's a whole range of options between 2x and 3x. If you're too lazy to type out bets, then hotkeys can work.
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03-01-2011 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Nichlemn
I'm also making the point that there's a whole range of options between 2x and 3x. If you're too lazy to type out bets, then hotkeys can work.
imo doing this is best. im just usually too lazy to do it.
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