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Old 03-17-2015, 02:04 PM   #1
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Heart Mersenneary 2011 chart for 11-14bb SB play.

http://www.husng.com/content/small-b...e-fold-or-limp

How relevant is this table? I dont really recall almost any regs in todays games shoving hands like 5 4s, 6 4s, J 6s, 10 6s and K 2s at 14bb deep
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Old 03-17-2015, 02:35 PM   #2
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Re: Mersenneary 2011 chart for 11-14bb SB play.

I wouldn't use it
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Old 03-17-2015, 06:58 PM   #3
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Re: Mersenneary 2011 chart for 11-14bb SB play.

OP, if you knew villain was playing according to that chart, how would you exploit it?
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Old 03-19-2015, 05:41 AM   #4
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Re: Mersenneary 2011 chart for 11-14bb SB play.

Its written in there.
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Old 03-19-2015, 01:38 PM   #5
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Re: Mersenneary 2011 chart for 11-14bb SB play.

The chart was made as a readless starting point years ago. He mentions his reasoning for a lot of the decisions, so delving into that reasoning is a good start at finding ways of improving the readless chart.

Nobody should've ever been using this with reads though, not the day he made it, nor today, it wasn't what he intended and wasn't likely to be helpful at all.

Charts are always tempting to just "read the action, execute the action" but poker is almost never so simple, try to resist that temptation (not necessarily aimed at you OP).
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:23 PM   #6
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Re: Mersenneary 2011 chart for 11-14bb SB play.

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The chart was made as a readless starting point years ago. He mentions his reasoning for a lot of the decisions, so delving into that reasoning is a good start at finding ways of improving the readless chart.

Nobody should've ever been using this with reads though, not the day he made it, nor today, it wasn't what he intended and wasn't likely to be helpful at all.

Charts are always tempting to just "read the action, execute the action" but poker is almost never so simple, try to resist that temptation (not necessarily aimed at you OP).
Hands like K 2s-K 6s i assume are still best to shove at about 12bb vs most.
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:57 PM   #7
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Re: Mersenneary 2011 chart for 11-14bb SB play.

^^ no, 12bb is too deep for them, try some more limping
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Old 03-19-2015, 05:19 PM   #8
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^^ no, 12bb is too deep for them, try some more limping
Yea, i guess i havent seen that many regs shoving Kxs that deep yet but hands like 9 10s and J 10s along with pairs up to 6 6 plus Ax up to A 7 are still fine shoves that deep i assume.
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Old 03-20-2015, 01:35 PM   #9
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Re: Mersenneary 2011 chart for 11-14bb SB play.

I wouldn't try to copy what regs are doing, especially at lower levels.

You want to be able to change your decisions with with sound reasoning, and recognize why certain hands play better or worse in specific situations.

Limping is going to be very important at those stack depths.
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Old 03-21-2015, 09:55 AM   #10
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Re: Mersenneary 2011 chart for 11-14bb SB play.

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^^ no, 12bb is too deep for them, try some more limping
think it can be fine to shove those sometimes too
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