More than likely been discussed elsewhere - apologies for searching laziness if so:
Talking about stakes $15 and under - turbo format.
Early in game. Effective stacks of say 50BBs+
Could someone explain the advantages of calling versus 3betting versus an average fish./unknown.
We have AJ in the BB and opponent either limps or he raises standard.
i'd always 3b here against an unknown at these limits, the average player at 15s calls 3bets way way way too light, so we would be missing out a lot of value by not 3betting.
The only disadvantage of 3betting is that we arent really sure what to do against a 4b (we have to fold probably, so we are wasting our hand's equity when that happens). But you will get flats or folds for the most part (the average player at these limits doesnt 4b much), so its worth it.
i'd always 3b here against an unknown at these limits, the average player at 15s calls 3bets way way way too light, so we would be missing out a lot of value by not 3betting.
Early on i think it's a good idea to 3bet this. Obviously because many people call too light which works for you. But also it increases the chance of your opponent seeing you as an aggressive player which increases the chances of you getting paid off on your strong hands during the match.
don't call cause it doesn't play that well postflop and any ace is a scare card which owns our hand
Shove 50BB with AJ???
Not sure about that. But i'm more than happy to be wrong and learn why. But shoving AJ for 50BB's+ to me sounds like trouble.
I imagine that if we chose AI approach that 3 betting followed by shoving any flop would on average earn us more chips compared to shoving pre. And i don't think this would be best anyway.
Flatting/3 betting + evaluating flop would be best i think.
Tbl the only time you're not 3betting at 50bbs is if you're playing someone so nitted up that when they raise pre you think you're probably either flipping or dominated with "only" AJ. You'd have to have some pretty solid history for that.
In case taiko is misinterpreted (or maybe he actually meant shove allin over a raise?) don't ever 3b shove AJo here unless you have villain-specific information that tells you it would be the most +EV play.
Pretty sure I've watched a video on HUSNG.com where hero flatted AKo OOP in the first few hands (I think it was Cog Diss back in 09?) though it was in a HS game. I've read and watched people flat KQo in the same spot, and lately H2Olga suggested it's not a bad idea to do the same thing with AJo.
So I don't think it's that clear cut "3bet this always". The issue here is in identifying when and vs who you should 3bet, when/who you can call instead, and what to do completely readless.
I don't think we should /thread now. Anyone can compare results when flatting or 3betting these hands with say >50bb? My DB is too small.
Pretty sure I've watched a video on HUSNG.com where hero flatted AKo OOP in the first few hands (I think it was Cog Diss back in 09?) though it was in a HS game. I've read and watched people flat KQo in the same spot, and lately H2Olga suggested it's not a bad idea to do the same thing with AJo.
So I don't think it's that clear cut "3bet this always". The issue here is in identifying when and vs who you should 3bet, when/who you can call instead, and what to do completely readless.
I don't think we should /thread now. Anyone can compare results when flatting or 3betting these hands with say >50bb? My DB is too small.
Quimp I understand the point you're making, and yes you're right this has been done a time or two on HUSNG.com. But to your own point, this flatting of AJ was likely in a higher stakes game and probably vs someone they at least had SOME history against. As opposed to a random at $15 (I think like 90%+ of opponents should be "random" at $15 level) where you're 3b'ing this.
Pretty sure I've watched a video on HUSNG.com where hero flatted AKo OOP in the first few hands (I think it was Cog Diss back in 09?) though it was in a HS game. I've read and watched people flat KQo in the same spot, and lately H2Olga suggested it's not a bad idea to do the same thing with AJo.
So I don't think it's that clear cut "3bet this always". The issue here is in identifying when and vs who you should 3bet, when/who you can call instead, and what to do completely readless.
I don't think we should /thread now. Anyone can compare results when flatting or 3betting these hands with say >50bb? My DB is too small.
I think it is a flat vs someone who folds to 3bets waay to much. (Which we can't really know in the first few hands.)
Normally we should 3b because we are way ahead of their range.
But to your own point, this flatting of AJ was likely in a higher stakes game and probably vs someone they at least had SOME history against. As opposed to a random at $15 (I think like 90%+ of opponents should be "random" at $15 level) where you're 3b'ing this.
Nah, fatting AJo was suggested by H2Olga in a 7$ thread. To quote him:
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you don't have to 3b AJo at these stacks, esp if you're readless and don't know how to proceed after your 3b, just flat his raise. You're OOP, youre not fistpumping to get it in pre and its not that great a hand postflop.
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The 3b value really isn't that huge either, the ace hurts your hand because you get a lot of credit for it postflop.
