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09-12-2015 , 08:41 AM
In one of Coffeeyay's videos he said that he found limping a wide range of hands on the button against random opponents at low stakes hypers to be significantly better than open folding and even better than min raising. Well I always play 100% in position against unknowns but I minraise 100% and basically don't limp until the blinds go up to 15/30, after which I limp a fairly wide range and still never open fold. Is limping still better than min raising nowadays? The video is a year old. Here is a link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SbZE5TReNk). If limping is better than min raising does anyone have any statistics to show how much better it is to limp than min raise in terms of ev?
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09-12-2015 , 12:26 PM
Limping is defo good. And you should do it even full stacked. You wanna get some reads on how he plays against limps. For instance: if he is too aggro vs limps, you should mix in some traps.

Just try it for yourself and you will see. Nobody is going to tell you expectation of limping vs minraising of certain hands. I mean, not for free :P It is just too valuable information.
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09-14-2015 , 08:03 PM
Well this might be long but I hope it will be helpful.
I think a good limping game is something that will make you a lot of money.
First of all your limping strategy should change against different opponents.
Like if you know that your opponent is a very aggresive 3-bettor you should limp some hands that are not value hands but you would otherwise raised with them hands like 45s,65s,87s,9Ts,86,57,22-77,K9,Q9,A-rags and stuff like that and always raise with value hands cause you know he will be 3-betting a ton and there is a big chance in getting some serious money in with the best hand.Now if he is very aggro against your limps and possibly raising with ATC you should be mixing in some traps like JJ-AA,ATs+ and stuff like that.
You should start developing reads early on in the match about his limping range.If he limps much of his range and never folds to your limp raises you should take flops with raggish hands like K7,K6,Q4s,J5s etc just because raising with them you may be putting yourself in very marginal situations and raising them doesn't ake any sense.Also hands like 73,84,23,24,46,74 etc can some times flop real monsters and they are very deceaving too!
Now if you start to realise that he is very passive against your limps you should be playing 100% VPIP OTB and never fold hands that against any other oponent you would open fold them!
Now if he is aggro against your limps and start limp rasing a ton play a std strategy of raising or folding and mix in some traps again vs him.
If he iss really loose passive player and is not really aggro you should start limping a wide range and most of the time not limp raising him when you are OOP.You should pound loose passive guys OOP and valuetown them when we are in position.They will call you soooo light that limping garbage can seem profitable against them.
Hope I helped!
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09-15-2015 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by kakospaidis
Well this might be long but I hope it will be helpful.
I think a good limping game is something that will make you a lot of money.
First of all your limping strategy should change against different opponents.
Like if you know that your opponent is a very aggresive 3-bettor you should limp some hands that are not value hands but you would otherwise raised with them hands like 45s,65s,87s,9Ts,86,57,22-77,K9,Q9,A-rags and stuff like that and always raise with value hands cause you know he will be 3-betting a ton and there is a big chance in getting some serious money in with the best hand.Now if he is very aggro against your limps and possibly raising with ATC you should be mixing in some traps like JJ-AA,ATs+ and stuff like that.
You should start developing reads early on in the match about his limping range.If he limps much of his range and never folds to your limp raises you should take flops with raggish hands like K7,K6,Q4s,J5s etc just because raising with them you may be putting yourself in very marginal situations and raising them doesn't ake any sense.Also hands like 73,84,23,24,46,74 etc can some times flop real monsters and they are very deceaving too!
Now if you start to realise that he is very passive against your limps you should be playing 100% VPIP OTB and never fold hands that against any other oponent you would open fold them!
Now if he is aggro against your limps and start limp rasing a ton play a std strategy of raising or folding and mix in some traps again vs him.
If he iss really loose passive player and is not really aggro you should start limping a wide range and most of the time not limp raising him when you are OOP.You should pound loose passive guys OOP and valuetown them when we are in position.They will call you soooo light that limping garbage can seem profitable against them.
Hope I helped!
I agree for the most part, but I wouldn't limp small pocket pairs. You'll often flop two or tree overs and miss your set. Also, what if villain raises your limp? Calling puts you in many marginal spots on the flop. I often open shove them.

As for A rag, I prefer raising too. By limping hands like A3, villain often checks behind with two middle cards, which have 45% equity to realise vs your hand. I'd rather fold that equity out, either pf or with a cbet
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09-15-2015 , 01:03 PM
Well,i said that I would limp hands like A-rag if my opponent was an aggro 3-bettor.Generally A-rag hands are always and I mean always a raise in a HU match whether is sitngo or HUcash!
Now give me your opinion about that.My raise limping range against guys that tend to call limp raises a ton is 77+,AT+,QT+,KT+,A7s+.I know that someone will say it is a very tight limp-raising range BUT.what would you do if your opponent calls your limp raise when you have like 44 and the flop comes like 69J,268,AK9,etc???You will be forced to play a marginal hand in a board that you almost never know if you have the best hand when your c-bet gets called.
So lets see some math.
Assume that you always raise villains limps with 44 and let's assume again that he is calling you with a range like that 22+,A2s+,K4s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K7o+,Q9 o+,J9o+,T9o,97o+
87o.Against this range you have 50% equity.I don't see what you accomplish by raising here.You might fold some worse hands than yours but it's really really unlikely and all the better hands are calling.
If you think that this limp raising range is super wide if we take out some cobos out of there your equity is somewhere around 55%.Again not much of a favorite.IMO with small PP's against a limp most of the times it;s good to take a flop unless you can manipulate your opponent so good that the raise becomes mandatory.It's all about adjusting to your oppoennts!
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09-15-2015 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kakospaidis
Well,i said that I would limp hands like A-rag if my opponent was an aggro 3-bettor.Generally A-rag hands are always and I mean always a raise in a HU match whether is sitngo or HUcash!
Now give me your opinion about that.My raise limping range against guys that tend to call limp raises a ton is 77+,AT+,QT+,KT+,A7s+.I know that someone will say it is a very tight limp-raising range BUT.what would you do if your opponent calls your limp raise when you have like 44 and the flop comes like 69J,268,AK9,etc???You will be forced to play a marginal hand in a board that you almost never know if you have the best hand when your c-bet gets called.
So lets see some math.
Assume that you always raise villains limps with 44 and let's assume again that he is calling you with a range like that 22+,A2s+,K4s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K7o+,Q9 o+,J9o+,T9o,97o+
87o.Against this range you have 50% equity.I don't see what you accomplish by raising here.You might fold some worse hands than yours but it's really really unlikely and all the better hands are calling.
If you think that this limp raising range is super wide if we take out some cobos out of there your equity is somewhere around 55%.Again not much of a favorite.IMO with small PP's against a limp most of the times it;s good to take a flop unless you can manipulate your opponent so good that the raise becomes mandatory.It's all about adjusting to your oppoennts!
If villain 3bets >25% you can min-raise/4bet shove any Ax in hypers. The shallower the stacks the more Ax you can open shove. Again, if you limp or limp-call A rag, villain almost always has 45% equity with his two middle cards. Rather use your fold equity
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09-16-2015 , 02:12 PM
^^^
So much good and so much bad hyper advice above so far in this thread.
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09-17-2015 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
^^^
So much good and so much bad hyper advice above so far in this thread.
Could you give some examples of good/bad advice above?
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09-17-2015 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
^^^
So much good and so much bad hyper advice above so far in this thread.
I know that my above advice is really bad for hypers and I really shouldn't comment on a hyper turbo sitn'ngo hence I play the turbos.
You find my advice bad for turbos when I take these lines and my limping strategy??
Don't flame me for the question!
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