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09-26-2013 , 07:14 AM

Ph33roX

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Hey guys, Video #4 is now out.

Enjoy.

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09-26-2013 , 10:26 AM

Nidel

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Hi Ph33roX, very interesting videos. Thank you for share your knowledge

I have a pretty noob question in the hand in minute 19:54 79o,

Why you suggest to c/r AI with an stack to pot ratio 3.5? is not an over bet?

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09-26-2013 , 11:18 AM

ynkgg

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Because you fold a lot of better hands than yours and still do pretty ok when called.

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09-26-2013 , 06:03 PM

Karcsibohoc

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Nice video Ph33rox, thanks for it. Just a quick question: Isn't that too wide to OS with Q8o at 13bb? You said that's a borderline to limp or Os it.

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09-27-2013 , 08:03 AM

Nidel

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Originally Posted by ynkgg

Because you fold a lot of better hands than yours and still do pretty ok when called.

Agree with that, but my doubt is about the sizing, this hand is strong enough to c/r and call to a shove. Are not we getting +- same folds with an smaller c/r?

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09-27-2013 , 08:03 AM

Baradur

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Why don't you consinder shoving AJ at ~13', on the turn? He can't have a nine since he just called otf, a seven is less likely since it pairs the board and not much 4s in his range. Also there are tons of draws by the turn that we are giving a free card to if we check.
Him being a (somewhat competent?) reg, he realizes our 3b range doesn't really hit that board so he could just try to steal it ott after our check with a semibluff, but we don't have that much history with him to argue a chk/shove there.

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09-27-2013 , 08:18 AM

none888

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Originally Posted by Baradur

Him being a (somewhat competent?) reg

he is just fish who donates regularly, so its hard to tell what he thinks

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09-27-2013 , 10:27 AM

ynkgg

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Originally Posted by Nidel

Agree with that, but my doubt is about the sizing, this hand is strong enough to c/r and call to a shove. Are not we getting +- same folds with an smaller c/r?

Yes but if you c/r small you're giving him enough equity to jam with hands that can't profitably call your c/r jam AND if he calls our hand gets devaluated a lot on the turn and we might be running into a brick wall a lot of the times.

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09-27-2013 , 10:49 AM

kaimac

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Excellent video, really enjoyed/learned from it. Thanks!!!

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09-27-2013 , 11:27 AM

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clsrtotilt

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Thanks for this, Ph33roX!

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09-27-2013 , 01:18 PM

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FirEontheMountIn13

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great vid ph33rox thanks for all the videos so far

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10-01-2013 , 01:19 AM

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Ph33roX

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Originally Posted by Nidel

Hi Ph33roX, very interesting videos. Thank you for share your knowledge

I have a pretty noob question in the hand in minute 19:54 79o,

Why you suggest to c/r AI with an stack to pot ratio 3.5? is not an over bet?

It is, but we're shallow enough that winning what's in the middle is pretty big deal and we want to maximize our fold equity. We're also short enough that we don't risk a ton by trying to accomplish that. Think about it like shoving over a mr 14bb deep vs wide opener, yes it's an overbet but it's all about your fold equity and equity when called that makes this very profitable

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10-01-2013 , 01:25 AM

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Ph33roX

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Originally Posted by Karcsibohoc

Nice video Ph33rox, thanks for it. Just a quick question: Isn't that too wide to OS with Q8o at 13bb? You said that's a borderline to limp or Os it.

Shoving is not my readless play with Q8o. It can be shoved according to nash up to 13bb, vs the population you can probably shove even deeper because they don't call as wide as nash (but I wouldn't recommend that ofc).

I would only shove this hand at the 12-13BB area if I'm playing an aggressive player who's gonna push me off my equity too often if i try to limp or raise. In a way their strategy prevents us from playing Q8o in ways that are less marginal than shoving (ie limping and mr/fold), but then again they are obviously exploitable overall and we will win more when we have KTs.

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10-01-2013 , 01:28 AM

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Ph33roX

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Originally Posted by Baradur

I don't think we're getting called by worse or fold out better very often, so I don't like shoving the turn. I think we have to turn this hand into a bluffcatcher on the turn, hopefully we'll be checking our trips and overpairs there too.

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10-02-2013 , 05:23 PM

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Karcsibohoc

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Thanks for the answer. It make sense.

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