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02-21-2022 , 01:56 PM

Acidjoe

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Is this too tight. I never feel like I know what to do in these spots. When I call he shows me some A rag and of course if I fold I don't know what he had. Starting playing spins about 6 weeks ago

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players

BTN: 28.5 BB
SB: 23 BB
Hero (BB): 23.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K

BTN calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 3 players) 5

SB checks, Hero bets 4.2 BB, fold, SB raises to 19 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero mucks K

(One Pair, Kings)

SB wins 20.4 BB

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02-21-2022 , 01:58 PM

bravepokerplayer

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why not to check flop?

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02-21-2022 , 02:18 PM

Acidjoe

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Originally Posted by bravepokerplayer

why not to check flop?

I probably continuation bet too much in these spots, but I guess checking and seeing what happens OOP might be better. I tend to always err on the side of aggression.

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02-21-2022 , 02:38 PM

bravepokerplayer

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Would you Cbet with KJ on AJ2 board?

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02-21-2022 , 02:43 PM

wonkydonk

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Yeah x/c flop looks good. Would think about raising a bit bigger against two probable recs and being deep by spin standards

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02-21-2022 , 02:49 PM

bravepokerplayer

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i think iso 4x is allright.

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02-21-2022 , 02:51 PM

Acidjoe

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Originally Posted by bravepokerplayer

Would you Cbet with KJ on AJ2 board?

It was KK, not KJ.

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02-21-2022 , 02:53 PM

Acidjoe

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Originally Posted by wonkydonk

Yeah x/c flop looks good. Would think about raising a bit bigger against two probable recs and being deep by spin standards

This was about 6 hands in. I had not played against either one yet. So maybe a 5 or 6x ISO? Is that what you are saying?

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02-21-2022 , 04:16 PM

wonkydonk

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Yeah I'd be tempted to go 5x. BTN is likely to be a rec as very few regs are open limping from BTN 25 BBs deep (or at all 3 way?). Don't think it makes a massive difference either way though.

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02-21-2022 , 05:13 PM

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Acidjoe

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When he limped called 4X I immediately flagged that. Not a typical line from a +EV player.

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02-22-2022 , 05:03 AM

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bravepokerplayer

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I have seen some regulars implementing 3w BU limps

I remember a while ago i saw twitch streamer i think a husng dot com coach coffy did limp like strong Ax but not entirely sure was it readless or not.

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02-22-2022 , 10:52 AM

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VeniceMerchant

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Could definitely check back KK here plus some weaker Ax to balance your range. I've noticed more villains lately trying to limp-trap (with a range that is still mostly weak trash hands).

My standard size here pre is 3x because on favourable boards you're going to be able to get stacks in by the river anyway. 5x isoing when you only have 25bb is going to scream value to all but the worst fish.

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02-23-2022 , 03:54 AM

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Acidjoe

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Originally Posted by bravepokerplayer

I saw a video of a AQ hearts limp from Cog Dis (Paul Collins). He said he had played this person lots and would iso a limp over 80% of the time. It was not a typical play for him, but very player specific.

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02-23-2022 , 06:23 AM

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wonkydonk

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Yeah, I mean I can definitely imagine good players doing this as an exploit against a specific player type (e.g. limp re-raising a range if villain is going crazy with isos) and/or coming up with a decent strategy with some open limps (although I've never seen this in any of the "GTO" ranges I've seen).

But I still think a BTN open limp at 25BBs is a great heuristic that a) they're not a great player and b) they're probably on the loose passive side. Of course this is never 100%, e.g. some recs play loose passive pre and go crazy postflop, but this is my general read.

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02-23-2022 , 10:46 AM

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VeniceMerchant

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Originally Posted by wonkydonk

Yeah, I mean I can definitely imagine good players doing this as an exploit against a specific player type (e.g. limp re-raising a range if villain is going crazy with isos) and/or coming up with a decent strategy with some open limps (although I've never seen this in any of the "GTO" ranges I've seen).

But I still think a BTN open limp at 25BBs is a great heuristic that a) they're not a great player and b) they're probably on the loose passive side. Of course this is never 100%, e.g. some recs play loose passive pre and go crazy postflop, but this is my general read.

Do you mean if they limp 100%? Because at 25BB the button should definitely have a limping range.

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02-23-2022 , 11:18 AM

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wonkydonk

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To clarify I’m talking about 3 way not HU

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02-23-2022 , 02:38 PM

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VeniceMerchant

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I think at best you're flipping against a flush draw, at worst you're going against Ax. I wouldn't worry about being exploitable by folding here b/c we have enough strong hands that can continue.

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04-21-2022 , 07:25 PM

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silky28

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I am not opposed to c-betting KK with an Ace on the flop. You can’t just assume villains always have Ax and players will often call with lower pairs.

Now, in this case, Ax has a wheel draw and the nut flush draw and, in this case, holding the K spades is a bad thing because it’s a blocker for the flush. Means it’s more likely that he is holding Ax. Clear fold to me. I think at best here you are ~51% on this pot and, since you are calling there is no fold equity.

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